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I realised this could be controversial, but is the Vale of Rheidol railway the most boring of the many preserved railways in the UK?

I travelled on the line last week, and the magnificent scenery between Aberystwyth and Devil's Bridge is fantastic, but the railway itself is completely antiseptic. Apart from the train itself, there are no railways artefacts on show, with everything hidden inside the sheds.

Couldn't they make an effort and have a few other things on show?

best regards ... Stef
 
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I was most disappointed by the Paignton to Dartmouth railway.
Very expensive and without the stop at Chelston no easy access to the visitor centre (assuming it’s still open) etc. I enjoy the entire package at these railways such as being able to look round the workshops, and museums etc.
 

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Last time I did the Bluebell Railway in East Sussex, much of the section of line between Sheffield Park and Horsted Keynes was essentially a "green corridor" and you couldn't see all that much if the countryside on either side because of all the lineside shrubbery. The two stations themselves were well worth the visit, however.
 

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I was most disappointed by the Paignton to Dartmouth railway.
Very expensive and without the stop at Chelston no easy access to the visitor centre (assuming it’s still open) etc. I enjoy the entire package at these railways such as being able to look round the workshops, and museums etc.
The ability to look around workshops is becoming more and more reduced - the ORR sees them as high risk areas that are really not suitable for visitors to walk around.
 

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The ability to look around workshops is becoming more and more reduced - the ORR sees them as high risk areas that are really not suitable for visitors to walk around.
Every other railway I’ve visited this year have had safe walkways fenced for the public around the edges where you can get good views of what’s happening
 

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I was most disappointed by the Paignton to Dartmouth railway.
Very expensive and without the stop at Chelston no easy access to the visitor centre (assuming it’s still open) etc. I enjoy the entire package at these railways such as being able to look round the workshops, and museums etc.
It is fantastic scenically though and has fairly unusual passenger stock, decent loco's and interesting places at both ends of the line, which must all count for something?

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The one that always used to underwhelm me is the Lakeside and Haverthwaite. It's quite short and you can barely see any of the lakes through the trees and there's not really that much at each end. It is however a long time since I've been, and the loco roster looks a bit more interesting these days, when I used to visit it always seemed to be industrial tank engines, nowadays they look to have more mainline loco's. I should probably give it a revisit soon to see whether it has improved.
 

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It is fantastic scenically though and has fairly unusual passenger stock, decent loco's and interesting places at both ends of the line, which must all count for something?
I found as a whole experience to be very poor value for money. The interior of the carriages have been ruined with very crude looking ‘covid’ screens dividing the carriage up.
It came across over commercialised
 

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I realised this could be controversial, but is the Vale of Rheidol railway the most boring of the many preserved railways in the UK?

I travelled on the line last week, and the magnificent scenery between Aberystwyth and Devil's Bridge is fantastic, but the railway itself is completely antiseptic. Apart from the train itself, there are no railways artefacts on show, with everything hidden inside the sheds.
I suppose the VoR has been solely a tourist line to/from Devil's Bridge for so long that it hasn't got much of a back story to display - the locos and stock are near enough original...
 

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In the defence of the VoR, they currently have a project (not yet started on the ground) to build a narrow gauge railway museum. They received a lot of parts from the former LBSCR London Bridge terminus to construct a train shed.

I think the reason for the VoR being rather different to other heritage railways is that it wasn't even a heritage railway until the 80s - it was BR's last steam line
 

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The most boring railway I have visited is the East Kent Railway at Shepherds Well.
The majority of the route is either in a tunnel or deep cutting.
 

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The one that always used to underwhelm me is the Lakeside and Haverthwaite. It's quite short and you can barely see any of the lakes through the trees and there's not really that much at each end. It is however a long time since I've been, and the loco roster looks a bit more interesting these days, when I used to visit it always seemed to be industrial tank engines, nowadays they look to have more mainline loco's. I should probably give it a revisit soon to see whether it has improved.

Whilst I admit to being very hard to please where preserved lines are concerned; I've always felt re the Lakeside & Haverthwaite, "they shouldn't have bothered" (and I have seen that undertaking more than once, though not travelled on it). I'm rather allergic to preserved lines which are totally physically isolated (as distinct from actual-physical-connection or not, at junction points with the main system) -- so the L & H is for that reason, a "loser" for me; and it is indeed to my mind, woefully short. If it could have been possible to preserve the whole of the branch: can see self greatly liking it -- set basically in a lovely part of the world, even if views might be better (dratted trees ! ;) -- often [not without reason] found a scenic detriment these days). Always fearsome obstacles, admittedly, to any reopening south of Haverthwaite -- a big bridge gone, and a lot of the formation obliterated by road construction.

And when the branch was in normal service, trains joined the main line at station-less Plumpton Junction, and ran the couple of miles along the main, to / from Ulverston. That would be unthinkable nowadays. A similar issue has been addressed on the Isle of Wight, with Smallbrook Junction having come into being; but don't think that any equivalent of that has been possible, administratively or practically, on the "mainland".


The most boring railway I have visited is the East Kent Railway at Shepherds Well. The majority of the route is either in a tunnel or deep cutting.

That does sound fairly dire. One feels that this line would be more fun, if it were not confined to the short stub of it at the Shepherds Well end; whose survival long enough to be preserved, was due to its having been retained to serve a colliery or two. The system's route further north -- abandoned some seventy years ago, I believe -- was classically bonkers standard-gauge-light-railway through pleasant countryside. One suspects that the East Kent's having been one of the Colonel Stephens group of independent light railways up to nationalisation in 1948, might have been a big factor in the remaining section's having attracted a preservation undertaking -- irrespective of its not being particularly attractive in its own right. Had it all been just a bog-standard offshoot of the London, Chatham & Dover Railway; would there have been enough interest to get the preservation project off the ground?
 

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The one that always used to underwhelm me is the Lakeside and Haverthwaite. It's quite short and you can barely see any of the lakes through the trees and there's not really that much at each end. It is however a long time since I've been, and the loco roster looks a bit more interesting these days, when I used to visit it always seemed to be industrial tank engines, nowadays they look to have more mainline loco's. I should probably give it a revisit soon to see whether it has improved.

I agree, I found it rather disappointing, I feel it's more for the coach trip market.

Windermere in general is a bit of a tourist trap and not overly scenic, compared to other parts of the Lake District.
 

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I realised this could be controversial, but is the Vale of Rheidol railway the most boring of the many preserved railways in the UK?

I travelled on the line last week, and the magnificent scenery between Aberystwyth and Devil's Bridge is fantastic, but the railway itself is completely antiseptic. Apart from the train itself, there are no railways artefacts on show, with everything hidden inside the sheds.

Couldn't they make an effort and have a few other things on show?

best regards ... Stef
Since 2014 have visited the VoR several times, most recently just over a month ago. Prior to that my visits were in BR days, I went there for the final BR operating day in 1988.

The current owners have invested a lot in the business which unlike many heritage lines uses mainly employed staff. I understand that the intention is to put on display many items owned by the associated Phyllis Rampton Trust when the exhibition hall is completed. I wouldn't describe the VoR as boring. If I was to make a slight criticism is that the new station is less accessible from the mainline station. When I was there the other month timings on my return trip were a bit tight otherwise I would have had a long wait.

This is not my view - but a few years back I saw a comment on the Dean Forest Railway's Trip Advisor low scoring it and complaining about how boring the line was compared to other heritage lines as it ran mainly through trees. :D

Obviously someone had difficulty understanding the meaning of the word Forest.

When it comes to boring lines I saw someone mentioned the Lakeside and Haverthwaite - put it this way I have been on the lake "steamers" more often than I have been on the railway. I think my one and only trip on it was when I was still at school back in the 1970s. Too short, and just not interesting. On one of my recent trips for a cruise on one of the former railway steamers I did note they have even stuck strange steps onto the Mark I carriages rather than raise the platforms which would further undermine its credentials for me.
 
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Since 2014 have visited the VoR several times, most recently just over a month ago. Prior to that my visits were in BR days, I went there for the final BR operating day in 1988.

The current owners have invested a lot in the business which unlike many heritage lines uses mainly employed staff. I understand that the intention is to put on display many items owned by the associated Phyllis Rampton Trust when the exhibition hall is completed. I wouldn't describe the VoR as boring. If I was to make a slight criticism is that the new station is less accessible from the mainline station. When I was there the other month timings on my return trip were a bit tight otherwise I would have had a long wait.

I can understand why people might find the V of R boring, but one has to consider that it’s a little different from most other operations in a number of ways, and this for me adds interest. It isn’t a collection of heritage vehicles which someone has assembled, but is merely a continuing piece of history in itself. On top of that it’s run as a railway, complete with paid staff and a well-regarded engineering operation which adds value to the local area. On top of all this, the main purpose remains to transport people to Devil’s Bridge mainly to allow them to admire views.

Nothing’s perfect, and it can feel like a tourist trap especially when coach loads turn up, but look beyond this and it’s a pretty thriving operation. Taking a train up there on a wet day with the loco working hard up stiff gradients is anything but boring.

If anything the Ffestiniog seems to be trying to turn itself into the most boring preserved railway. Increasingly bland carriages, views obstructed by tree growth, and an obsession with pre booking. Likewise I’ve seen my fair share of bored faces on the Welsh Highland.
 

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I can understand why people might find the V of R boring, but one has to consider that it’s a little different from most other operations in a number of ways, and this for me adds interest. It isn’t a collection of heritage vehicles which someone has assembled, but is merely a continuing piece of history in itself. On top of that it’s run as a railway, complete with paid staff and a well-regarded engineering operation which adds value to the local area. On top of all this, the main purpose remains to transport people to Devil’s Bridge mainly to allow them to admire views.

Nothing’s perfect, and it can feel like a tourist trap especially when coach loads turn up, but look beyond this and it’s a pretty thriving operation. Taking a train up there on a wet day with the loco working hard up stiff gradients is anything but boring.

If anything the Ffestiniog seems to be trying to turn itself into the most boring preserved railway. Increasingly bland carriages, views obstructed by tree growth, and an obsession with pre booking. Likewise I’ve seen my fair share of bored faces on the Welsh Highland.
Yes I as a GW enthusiast they have embraced the GWR uncompromisingly too which I find pleasing. Though I do wonder if perhaps in the future they should turn out one loco and set of carriages in BR blue just to remind everyone how it was in the 70s when it was probably at its most boring! I was lucky when I went the other week it was mid week and fairly quiet,

I wouldn't call the FR / WHR bland as I really love the Pullmans must be the best carriages on any a heritage line.

BUT this prebooking experience nonsense this year has put me off visiting. For me not to have visited the FR / WHR by this stage of the year is unusual. I went quite a few times in 2020 and 2021 and tolerated the "Experiences" - but not this year when I can experience normality on other lines. In saying that I have booked a day rover for the WHR Centenary bash on July 30 - but that will be my first visit. Until they return to normal operations they are well down my visiting list.
 

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The Leighton Buzzard Light Railway has suffered over the years as the town has expanded.

It's route through what was originally open countryside is now bounded on one or both side by housing estates and industrial units for a significant length of the journey.
 
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I suppose the answer to this question depends on what you want from a heritage railway. For a tourist or a family having a day out, probably some nice scenery and something to do at the other end of the line will make a good day out, along with a shop and cafe at the main station. A steam train would be a bonus for some and a requirement for others. For enthusiasts, an authentic steam or heritage diesel experience, with scenery probably of secondary importance and activities away from the railway maybe not important. Good photographic locations away from stations are also important for some. While some heritage lines offer all these features, others only offer some of them. My visit yesterday to the Launceston Steam Railway would, on that basis, not score highly to either group of travellers. The scenery is pleasant but not outstanding, the farm park at the far end of the line has now closed and there is no public access to the lineside for photographers except at the two stations. Furthermore it's not really even a heritage railway, being a narrow gauge line laid on a standard gauge trackbed. I still enjoyed my visit, including chatting to the volunteers, but I would not be in a hurry to return although only 45 miles away.
 
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On the scenery front, the East Lancs is unspectacular at best... luckily in terms of a museum railway for people who are more interested in the railway than the landscape, it's hard to match.

Many narrow-gauge lines seem more about "cute little trains" than either railway history or spectacular views. Nothing wrong with that of course, different strokes and all that.
 
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The VoR might be about to get more interesting than I first thought ..... I notice from their website that they now have now completed the overhaul of ex-South African Railway's Garratt No.60 and it is scheduled on some trains towards the end of this month, and lots more in August.

Maybe the message has got through, but GWR enthusiasts will be shaking their heads.

best regards ... Stef
 

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Likewise I’ve seen my fair share of bored faces on the Welsh Highland.

The "experiences" thing probably makes most sense on the WHR(C). It's very long for a preserved line, and has a more modern, mainline type feel to it than most of the others - it basically feels a bit more like a less-spectacular version of the Rhaetische Bahn (other similar Swiss narrow gauge lines are available) than a typical British preserved line. Thus, most people will get a bit bored if they do the whole thing. Yet, just looking at a timetable and doing a short route doesn't have much sales appeal - so why *not* sell a series of "railtours"?

I must admit that while the scenery is decent over most of it my favourite bit was "running fast" for the last bit to Porthmadog past the WHR(P) line despite that bit having the least interesting scenery. It had a curious mainline feel to it.
 

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What the EKR lacks in scenery, it makes up for in rolling stock. It has a thumper, Epb VEP trailer and various other proper trains.

The tunnel is an interesting one as the roof was built for double track, but only half the rock was excavated.
 

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I never really understood the purpose of the Gloucestershire Warwickshire Railway at Broadway.
As if there weren't already enough preserved ex-GWR lines of greater scale and interest (notably the Severn Valley).
The scenery is pretty flat too.

I'd maybe put the Churnet Valley Railway in the same category, but the scenery is pretty good in the Staffs Moorlands.
There are grandiose expansion plans, but whether we will see trains at Leek, Stoke and Caldon again is moot.
This from someone who travelled on BR's "Knotty Rambler" over the network in 1972.
 
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I never really understood the purpose of the Gloucestershire Warwickshire Railway at Broadway.
As if there weren't already enough preserved ex-GWR lines of greater scale and interest (notably the Severn Valley).
The scenery is pretty flat too.

I'd maybe put the Churnet Valley Railway in the same category, but the scenery is pretty good in the Staffs Moorlands.
There are grandiose expansion plans, but whether we will see trains at Leek, Stoke and Caldon again is moot.
This from someone who travelled on BR's "Knotty Rambler" over the network in 1972.
I visited the Gloucestershire and Warwickshire Railway a month ago and I actually really enjoyed it. The scenery isn't the best but still pretty nice and I enjoyed seeing the facilities at Toddington. They also have a very good selection of both steam and diesel locos as well- there were not one but two Bulleid Pacifics running when I was there, which is always a great experience, although admittedly 34028 Eddystone was visiting from the Swanage Railway.

I think different people have different preferences when it comes to preserved railways. I couldn't care less if the scenery is bland if I get to ride behind a Merchant Navy or a Hall. That's why I haven't been to the Severn Valley yet, as every time I've looked to see what's running on days when I would have been able to visit the most exciting thing they've had available is a Pannier tank.
 

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I wouldn't suggest the Middleton railway to anyone who wishes to see the best of Leeds!
 

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I wouldn't suggest the Middleton railway to anyone who wishes to see the best of Leeds!
I haven't been for years, but I don't think people have high expectations of it, it's an unpretentious line that doesn't claim to be beautiful and has its niche focusing on industrial loco's and locals who just want a steam train ride and for whom any steam train will do. For that reason, to me it's not a disappointment as it sets limited expectations that it does at least match.
 

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I realised this could be controversial, but is the Vale of Rheidol railway the most boring of the many preserved railways in the UK?

I travelled on the line last week, and the magnificent scenery between Aberystwyth and Devil's Bridge is fantastic, but the railway itself is completely antiseptic. Apart from the train itself, there are no railways artefacts on show, with everything hidden inside the sheds.

Couldn't they make an effort and have a few other things on show?

best regards ... Stef


They are in the middle of building a museum in the old engine shed, plus a new station building, but these were delayed by Covid. Currently they have no room to show anything.
 
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