Most hated traction

[AnonymousUser1]

I'll second that along with the 153s. Designed for passengers with no legs.
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given a 153 is half a 155 with an extra cab bodged in ...

 

[507021]

I wasn't impressed with any the Voyagers I've been on so far, so definitely those for me.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

For me it's 144s ahead of 142s, simply because they're so ubiquitous round here. Also they're to my mind far more cramped than even the 153/155s. I'm only 5'8" but can't get comfortable in an airline seat on a 144. The "least-worst" pacers are in my opinion the Northern Spirit refurbished ones.

 

[Tempest3K]

Definately Voyagers - small, cramped, smelly and dim. Most of which (except size) could be fixed by a decent refurb.

 

[222ben]

why does everyone hate voyagers so much?
They are totally great.....
not.

 

[Strathclyder]

I don't really have a unit/loco type that I hate to the point of desperately trying to avoid it.

That said, my least liked stock would have to be the 380s. Compared to my local stock (318s, 320s & 334s), the seats on the 380s just seem a bit too firm (not enough padding etc). That's more of a pathetic, personal gripe with them than anything else, as they are fine units otherwise.

 

[Clansman]

I don't really have a unit/loco type that I hate to the point of desperately trying to avoid it.

That said, my least liked stock would have to be the 380s. Compared to my local stock (318s, 320s & 334s), the seats on the 380s just seem a bit too firm (not enough padding etc). That's more of a pathetic, personal gripe with them than anything else, as they are fine units otherwise.

Agree with you on the Voyagers. They could be doing with a refurbishment to convert the interior similar to the Meridians, which would definitely allow more space. If only the XC ones were as good as the Virgin ones...

Those buses at Northern aren't even worth calling by their name

 

[D6975]

Long distance stock, Voyagers and Pendos.
Short distance, 142s.
But even 142s are luxury compared to their predecessor, the 141s, they were really, really bad.

 

[BzRail]

Class 387, and anything with the same painful seats. Should never have been allowed into service like that.

 

[prod_pep]

Any Pacer (particularly 142s), Northern 150/2s, 185s, 317s and 378s would be my nominations.

 

[222ben]

387s there terrible i gather

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Long distance stock, Voyagers and Pendos.
Short distance, 142s.
But even 142s are luxury compared to their predecessor, the 141s, they were really, really bad.

141s were horrible but they had a certain charm about them... They weren't really the 142s "predecessors" though, as they worked side by side for several years. 142s, like 141s, replaced 1st generation DMUs all of which were sadly better than the railbuses!

 

[Railengineer]

They were nice in their SWTs days, can't speak for what they've been like since leaving SWT

Crap basically

 

[QueensCurve]

Just wanted to know what traction everyone hates
For me it's the pacer 142s

1. "Pacers"
2. Voyagers/Meridians
3. Class 158

 

[alexl92]

142s/144s without question. Throw in 66. Aesthetically I really dislike 323s for some reason, not entirely sure why!

Not really a fan of Voyagers either.

 

[222ben]

So many people hate pacers!

 

[najaB]

So many people hate pacers!

I'm going to be controversial - Pacers aren't part of my day-to-day railway, so when I do get one it's a bit of a novelty to me. So I don't hate them.

 

[Steveman]

flying scotsman - one big con of a rebuild...should have painted, plinthed and stood next to Lion....

In what way was the rebuild a con ? are you saying it's not been restored ?

 

[Jamesb1974]

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[222ben]

From a professional point of view, the Windhoff Mpv. Deeply, deeply terrible things.

what are those things?

 

[Polarbear]

Not sure I would use the term 'hate', it's rather emotive. Not fussed on the following for reasons cited;

• 153's & 155's due to the woeful amount of legroom
• Voyagers/Meridians due to vibration issues
• Merseyrail spec 142's as those seats are an abononimation!

As for 442's, they were great in BR days on the Bournemouth run. Probably knackered now due to gross misuse over the last few years!

 

[najaB]

what are those things?

Here you go...

 

[Jamesb1974]

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[DJH1971]

142 'Nodding Donkeys' - anyday

 

[222ben]

Oh.sounds like HELL.

 

[HarleyDavidson]

456's horrible pieces of tat & voyagers.

As for 442's, you lot don't know what you're on about. Best 3rd rail EMU going, it doesn't complain incessantly about a blocked bog, air con not working etc, etc, etc. It's a proper train, with proper brakes!

 

[222ben]

everyone knows the answer to life the universe and everything and its not (1)42!

 

[scotraildriver]

Class 67. Noise, vibration, wheel slip, useless wipers and a seat that bounces you about like a jack-in-the-box.

 

[Minilad]

390s Hate everything about them

 

[andyb2706]

Just 3 numbers from me.....142....Ah, I have a few more as well.... 220 & 221
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390s Hate everything about them

Do you? I think they are okay. Nothing like the mk3's they replaced but are good compared to what else is about