gray1404
Established Member
Are Northern Complimentary Tickets on Sunday Dales Rail services? I would argue they are as running these services is a franchise commitment and they appear in the passenger timetable as Northern services.
Yep, no argument needed. They'll be accepted without question.As far as I know the DalesRail trains are standard Northern services that accept the full range of National Rail tickets so I don't see why you would need to argue anything.
That appears to still be the case for walk up tickets....all Manchester to Carlisle fares are routed Lancaster...
Yes, they are. The only fares controversy they cause (and did even in BR days) is that all Manchester to Carlisle fares are routed Lancaster, which caused issues when the first northbound of the day on the WCML on Sunday was not until about 1530 and people tried to use it from Manchester on regular tickets.
I wonder if this routeing is a legacy of BR trying to kill the S&C?
Seems to be valid via Cumbrian coast but not via Settle and Carlisle.That appears to still be the case for walk up tickets.
So does that allow travel between Lancaster and Carlisle via Barrow/Workington (Cumbrian coast) or via Long Preston (Settle & Carlisle) as well as along the WCML via Penrith?
I did buy a Dalesrail ticket with Manchester as the origin point in 2019 but it appears to have been withdrawn. The ticket office person at Manchester Airport the preceeding evening had some difficulty finding it on the system.It's a bit weird as that makes what could be attractive fares from Manchester/Bolton onto Dalesrail service disproportionately expensive as "via Clitheroe" fares only seem to be available from the stations Dalesrail serves (Preston/Blackburn etc).
I did buy a Dalesrail ticket with Manchester as the origin point in 2019 but it appears to have been withdrawn. The ticket office person at Manchester Airport the preceeding evening had some difficulty finding it on the system.
I later had a quizzical look from the train guard when I used it to travel between Appleby and Carlisle later in the day (with no intention of returning south). I wasn't quite clear if the special fare was only available on the actual Dalesrail service itself.
These trains are a franchise commitment so are therefore not charter services.
... in much the same was as Devon council funded the Sunday Okehampton trains (which also are becoming a franchise commitment).They aren't now, but they sort of were back in BR days. Lancashire County Council funded them in some way.