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Northern Line Battersea Extension - Opened September 20 2021

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I went for a look this morning. Boarding southbound at Bank, one finds one of the narrowest platforms on the whole of the Underground, at one of its busiest stations, which has had to handle it for well over a century. Getting off at Battersea, with it's infrequent 10 minute service, there were just a handful around in the cavernous (and it is) new station. I always thought that Bermondsey had been the exemplar of overbuilt new Underground wayside stations for the traffic offering, but on a square metreage per passenger basis we seem to have two new leaders. Outside Battersea station is an absolute wasteland, it's also not apparent why, with the huge developments seen in the middle distance, the area right around the new station in all directions is the last to be developed.

Meanwhile, along the road at the much more urban area around Battersea Park main line station, I had forgotten how awful the access at that station is - the steep and narrow stairways almost feel like climbing up ladders.

While I understand the operational realities of the Northern Line with the limitations at Camden Town, not extending just because it might be “too popular” is certainly an unusual view for a public transport network. Followed to the letter, the Piccadilly Line would not have been extended to terminate at Heathrow ... It’s also not clear why most would not simply remain on board to Waterloo or Victoria which provide good Zone 1 connections ... find some mechanism for charging a small additional fare, even to Travelcard holders or those who have capped, for the use of that section of line. This would easily fund the construction

The crowding was particularly envisaged because of the vagaries of the Oyster zone charging, which would have seriously depleted main line service revenue from the suburbs who would now only travel with them to zone 2, in a sort of reverse-Orcats Raid - the same reason for not inserting a Central Line station at Shoreditch where it, usefully, passes beneath the Overground station.

As far as fare revenue funding urban transport construction goes, those days are passed. Even substantial and well used systems with high fares (eg London) do not even cover their operating costs nowadays - any contribution to capital investment is way beyond them. It's just as well this was not the case when, to get back to the beginning of the post, the majority of the central Underground network, with "tuppeny tube" fares, was built.
 
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Boarding southbound at Bank, one finds one of the narrowest platforms on the whole of the Underground, at one of its busiest stations, which has had to handle it for well over a century.

Not for much longer.


 

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I was quite surprised at just how many were on the trains during the 'rush' when I visited yesterday. Appreciate it's only one train every 10 minutes currently, and it certainly wasn't crush loaded, but most alternate seats were taken and people were standing. Lots of housing both new and old in Battersea, perhaps many are prepared to walk a bit to get on a train directly to where they work and avoid the long change to the tube at Waterloo. I suspect TfL's review of the service level next year will easily find the need for 12tph peaks on a permanent basis.
 

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suburbs who would now only travel with them to zone 2, in a sort of reverse-Orcats Raid - the same reason for not inserting a Central Line station at Shoreditch where it, usefully, passes beneath the Overground station.
I have previously seen this described as an anti-overcrowding measure too — one which is possibly solved by the Elizabeth Line. Indeed Shoreditch High Street is already in Zone 1 due to its proximity to Liverpool Street, so it's unlikely that fare abstraction is the primary reason for the Central Line's bypass.
 

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I have previously seen this described as an anti-overcrowding measure too — one which is possibly solved by the Elizabeth Line. Indeed Shoreditch High Street is already in Zone 1 due to its proximity to Liverpool Street, so it's unlikely that fare abstraction is the primary reason for the Central Line's bypass.
It might be as simple as the closure of the Central line that would be required to build a station would be too costly and/or create too much disruption.
 

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It might be as simple as the closure of the Central line that would be required to build a station would be too costly and/or create too much disruption.

And it would to a large extent just be duplicating journey opportunities that will be available at Whitechapel onto Crossrail anyway.
 

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How is this any different to any of the other stations? If I tell someone I'm meeting at kings cross station, does that mean the mainline station or the underground station?

Everyone will just call it Battersea underground after a few weeks if they're arranging to meet at the tube station, same as loads of places where clarification is needed.
Tickets just show BATTRSEA LU !
 

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I visited the extension today. Very impressive to have this, and it seemed well used. I think the stations are quite basic really. I don’t think it’s as impressive as the Jubilee Line extension, which still looks incredible over 2 decades on. However, the most important thing is that they seem well designed and will serve local residents well. I liked the exterior design of the station with the pointy roof.

The station staff seemed to be like bored teenagers who were just playing on their phones, and it seemed a real inconvenience when passengers were asking them anything. Although that seems commonplace across the Tube network now.
 

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There’s a poster at Kennington advertising travel to Battersea and Nine Elms from £2.50 off-peak. This is the Zone 2 to Zone 1 fare whereas Kennington is in Zone 1/2, so it’s actually £2.40.
 

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There’s a poster at Kennington advertising travel to Battersea and Nine Elms from £2.50 off-peak. This is the Zone 2 to Zone 1 fare whereas Kennington is in Zone 1/2, so it’s actually £2.40.
Don't suppose you took a pic?
 

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Don't suppose you took a pic?
Yep. It does clarify that it’s a Z2-1 fare in the small print, just not particularly relevant at Kennington!

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Travel to the new Battersea and nine elms district in zone 1 from £2.50 off-peak.
Download the TfL go app to plan your journey.
Bringing more of them together.
Fare stated is the adult off-peak pay-as-you-go Journey from zone 2 into zone 1 on Tube, DLR, London overground and TfL rail services.
 

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Does anybody know what the mileages are on the Battersea extension? Railmiles seems to not have been updated, and neither the stickied post with all LU distances.
 

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I wonder what caused that spike in November 21.
It was Saturday 6th, which was the date of the Battersea Park fireworks, so I would suggest this could be the likely cause.
 

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I wonder what caused that spike in November 21.

I guess the zero entry in mid January was due to engineering works on the branch?
Was it the weekend the main Northern line routes were closed for signalling mods for the Bank blockade?
 

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the development at the power station site isn’t complete, so travel patterns for the end users haven’t yet been established.
 

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There's also the fact that Vauxhall (Zone 1/2) to Nine Elms (Zone 1) is roughly a 10 minute walk, as is Queenstown Road (Zone 2) to Battersea Power Station (Zone 1), and Battersea Park (Zone 2) to Battersea Power Station (Zone 1) is about a 5 minute walk.

It's reasonable to guess that putting the branch into Zone 1 will have an adverse effect on passenger numbers travelling from the South, who'll choose to walk the "last mile" most of the time rather than pay the Zone 1 premium.
 

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There's also the fact that Vauxhall (Zone 1/2) to Nine Elms (Zone 1) is roughly a 10 minute walk, as is Queenstown Road (Zone 2) to Battersea Power Station (Zone 1), and Battersea Park (Zone 2) to Battersea Power Station (Zone 1) is about a 5 minute walk.

It's reasonable to guess that putting the branch into Zone 1 will have an adverse effect on passenger numbers travelling from the South, who'll choose to walk the "last mile" most of the time rather than pay the Zone 1 premium.
Yes, the Zoning looks a bit of an oddity - the existing adjacent stations, even those closer to central London, being in Zone 2 or on the boundary. By the same reasoning measure, those who might have used the two Battersea stations can, by walking to the new branch, now travel within Zone 1 without crossing a fare boundary.
 

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Yes, the Zoning looks a bit of an oddity - the existing adjacent stations, even those closer to central London, being in Zone 2 or on the boundary. By the same reasoning measure, those who might have used the two Battersea stations can, by walking to the new branch, now travel within Zone 1 without crossing a fare boundary.
No oddity to it - it was deliberate gerrymandering at the behest of the then Mayor when he chose to prioritise this project over the (at least) ten others in front of it on the TfL LIST.
 

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They should be Z1/2 boundary, developers still get to call it Zone 1, the map doesn't end up skewed, and they even get to attract more customers to their leisure destination who can get there by paying just Zone 2 prices.
 

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Good for you- it takes me a good 15 minutes just to walk from Vauxhall station to Embassy Gardens Waitrose.
Not everyone walks at super quick speed.
 
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