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Omicron restrictions in Wales

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The Wales response thread is locked, so will post this here: Wales have now proven vaccine passports don't work as Nightclubs have been ordered to shut after Boxing Day, and social distancing will return:


Nightclubs will close in Wales after Boxing Day in response to the Omicron variant of coronavirus.
The Welsh government said it will also impose restrictions on businesses, including social distancing in offices, from 27 December.
First Minister Mark Drakeford called for people to have a smaller Christmas and avoid meeting "wider circles of friends".
It comes as the UK recorded a record number of Covid cases for a second day.
The number of Omicron cases in Wales rose by 33 to 95 on Friday.
Public Health Wales expects a "rapid increase over the coming days and weeks is expected", and officials believe Wales is a few days behind other UK hotspots.
Business lobby group the CBI said the fresh restrictions on companies were a "big setback".
Announcing a two-phased plan, the Welsh government said it was giving "strong guidance" for people to leave a day between social events and to meet outdoors over Christmas.

But from 27 December new legal restrictions will come into force.
They include a two metre rule in offices and extra measures to protect customers and staff, including one-way systems and physical barriers.
Businesses will also be required to allow people to work from home wherever possible.
Welsh ministers say they will make £60m available for firms impacted by the new restrictions.
The decision to shut nightclubs means they will be closed for New Year's Eve.
Mr Drakeford said Omicron "poses a new threat to our health and safety".
"It is the most serious development in the pandemic to date," he said.
He added a smaller Christmas "is a safer Christmas".
"Please enjoy Christmas with your nearest and dearest - and think about meeting up with wider circles of friends when the threat posed by the omicron variant has passed over," he said.
 
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Nightclubs in Bristol, Hereford & Chester will get busier then.

Also any clubs in Cardiff will be getting a big rush this coming weekend for people having one last time
 
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One-way systems! I must admit that of all the total nonsense that I feared would come back, I did think we'd seen the back of that particularly silly nonsense.

As pointed out above, a great success - not - for vaccine passports. Wasn't pretty much the whole argument for introducing them is that they would 'allow' venues to stay open?
 

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The Wales response thread is locked, so will post this here: Wales have now proven vaccine passports don't work as Nightclubs have been ordered to shut after Boxing Day, and social distancing will return:


It’s beyond pathetic, and what’s worse is that Sturgeon and quite possibly Boris will now do something similar (the former may even go one further, to signal her virtue of course). There’s no exit strategy, its perpetual war (and misery).
 

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Drakeford bringing back this social distancing nonsense. Absolute nutter! As is Sturgeon for bringing it back to Scotland too. Totally an over the top reaction from both of them. There really is no need to bring this nonsense back again, which will effect many businesses in the hospitality and leisure industry(as if they haven't suffered enough already!) and will effect many people's mental health(as if they haven't suffered enough already too!). Am extremely anxious that Johnson will go and copy Drakeford and Sturgeon by bringing this nonsense back to England too. Social distancing will mean the return of ridiculous one way systems, severe limits on numbers in premises at any one time, and all these HORRID black and yellow(or whatever colour) hazzard markers/stickers all over the place again. Dear oh dear oh dear. I really can not believe this madness.
 

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Drakeford bringing back this social distancing nonsense. Absolute nutter! As is Sturgeon for bringing it back to Scotland too. Totally an over the top reaction from both of them. There really is no need to bring this nonsense back again, which will effect many businesses in the hospitality and leisure industry(as if they haven't suffered enough already!) and will effect many people's mental health(as if they haven't suffered enough already too!). Am extremely anxious that Johnson will go and copy Drakeford and Sturgeon by bringing this nonsense back to England too. Social distancing will mean the return of ridiculous one way systems, severe limits on numbers in premises at any one time, and all these HORRID black and yellow(or whatever colour) hazzard markers/stickers all over the place again. Dear oh dear oh dear. I really can not believe this madness.
Just wait before Sir Kier comes onto the telly with his little soapbox demanding further restrictions.
 

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The Wales response thread is locked, so will post this here: Wales have now proven vaccine passports don't work as Nightclubs have been ordered to shut after Boxing Day, and social distancing will return:

Noteworthy that the BBC, in their angst to find a scientician to support restrictions, could once again only find a behavioural "scientist". The guys from the pretend science, with no relevant expertise, have really been doing all the driving in demanding restrictions for the last couple of months
 

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Well,Wales has escaped any major changes other than nightclubs having to close from December 27th and the return of one way systems.
An advisory work from home order has gone out(although I don’t remember it ever being rescinded)) and open offices must instigate 2 metre social distancing.
As far as I can tell concert venues remain open,sport carries on with crowds and schools will be open from January 10th.
i suppose of the end of furlough means even Drakeford can’t instigate a full lockdown.
But yesterday Drakeford told the Assembly half the population of the UK will fall ill with Omnicron.
Scaremongering at it’s best!

oh...and we must ‘space out our socialising’.
Musn’t go out two days running!
And we have joined the rest of the UK in being advised to take a test before going anywhere.
Won’t be doing that.
 

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But yesterday Drakeford told the Assembly half the population of the UK will fall ill with Omnicron.
Scaremongering at it’s best!

I guess it depends on how you define 'ill'. I think half the population will catch it, but I know quite a few people who have it at the moment and none of them are 'ill', unless you define a few sniffles as illness.
 

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I guess it depends on how you define 'ill'. I think half the population will catch it, but I know quite a few people who have it at the moment and none of them are 'ill', unless you define a few sniffles as illness.

A huge chunk of people who have had, current have or will get Covid won't even know about it because they were/are/will be completely symptomless.
 

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As pointed out above, a great success - not - for vaccine passports. Wasn't pretty much the whole argument for introducing them is that they would 'allow' venues to stay open?
Shh, that's because of omicron, and totally unrelated to the fact that they don't work...
 

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The Wales response thread is locked, so will post this here: Wales have now proven vaccine passports don't work as Nightclubs have been ordered to shut after Boxing Day, and social distancing will return:

If the virus is as infectious as claimed, why are they waiting for 10 days? It will be too late by then.
 

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They are looking to impose further measures Monday with money from the Treasury together with Scotland. It is a national disgrace! Why should I work hard to pay more tax and NI in future to pay for measures on WHAT IF or MAYBE but better safe tahn sorry? Sickening!
 

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They are looking to impose further measures Monday with money from the Treasury together with Scotland. It is a national disgrace! Why should I work hard to pay more tax and NI in future to pay for measures on WHAT IF or MAYBE but better safe tahn sorry? Sickening!

If Scotland and Wales want their own measures, they should expect to stand on their own two feet and pay from them. I wonder what Sturgeon and Drakeford plan to cut in order to release the necessary funds?!

Johnson will no doubt capitulate, of course.
 

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I agree 100% - it is pathetic that the so called 'Scientists' the governments use are not epidemiologists!!!! It is 'Money Science'. There is nothing we can do about it sadly!
 

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If the virus is as infectious as claimed, why are they waiting for 10 days? It will be too late by then.
Agreed, I dread to think how busier the nightclubs will be tonight/tomorrow due to the announcement that they will be closing after Christmas for an unknown period of time.

Just shows the vaccine passports are pointless
 

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If Scotland and Wales want their own measures, they should expect to stand on their own two feet and pay from them. I wonder what Sturgeon and Drakeford plan to cut in order to release the necessary funds?!

Johnson will no doubt capitulate, of course.
I agree - although I'll admit that it is somewhat one-sided, seeing as they are largely reliant on the support of the UK (English) government, who are clearly more reticent to apply restrictions, yet they don't have the full independence that would enable them to make their own decisions on borrowing or raising taxes to pay for this.
 

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If the virus is as infectious as claimed, why are they waiting for 10 days? It will be too late by then.
Indeed its utterly pointless if they are really concerned about the current infection rates unless they are working on the basis that Omicron hasn't got into Wales yet which it has. Maybe Drakeford is playing a smart game to show he's taking some sort of action but given himself space to back out if things don't deteriorate as the modellers expect.
 

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One-way systems! I must admit that of all the total nonsense that I feared would come back, I did think we'd seen the back of that particularly silly nonsense.

As pointed out above, a great success - not - for vaccine passports. Wasn't pretty much the whole argument for introducing them is that they would 'allow' venues to stay open?

In a way I see this as a good thing as this makes the case for vaccine passports a very hard sell, they were meant to keep businesses open and now look at what’s happened.
 

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Well,Wales has escaped any major changes other than nightclubs having to close from December 27th and the return of one way systems.
An advisory work from home order has gone out(although I don’t remember it ever being rescinded)) and open offices must instigate 2 metre social distancing.
As far as I can tell concert venues remain open,sport carries on with crowds and schools will be open from January 10th.
i suppose of the end of furlough means even Drakeford can’t instigate a full lockdown.
But yesterday Drakeford told the Assembly half the population of the UK will fall ill with Omnicron.
Scaremongering at it’s best!

oh...and we must ‘space out our socialising’.
Musn’t go out two days running!
And we have joined the rest of the UK in being advised to take a test before going anywhere.
Won’t be doing that.

They are looking to impose further measures Monday with money from the Treasury together with Scotland. It is a national disgrace! Why should I work hard to pay more tax and NI in future to pay for measures on WHAT IF or MAYBE but better safe tahn sorry? Sickening!

If Scotland and Wales want their own measures, they should expect to stand on their own two feet and pay from them. I wonder what Sturgeon and Drakeford plan to cut in order to release the necessary funds?!

Johnson will no doubt capitulate, of course.

Drakeford has crossed a line ordering the closing of nightclubs after Boxing Day i.e. from 27th. Do correct me if wrong but my understanding is that non of the restrictions that remained in Wales but were ended in England directly prevented any form of trading. The more draconian restrictions may have reduced trading e.g. people choosing not to visit Wales for a main holiday, short break or day out but that politically has been dusted under the carpet with business somehow still expected to be viable.

Now by ordering the closure some form of business support / furlough has to follow. This should be 100% funded by Wales. Why in some way should those resident anywhere else contribute? Of course if Boris and Co announce the same Drakeford is saved. Maybe this is what he is gambling on ?


Choosing after Boxing Day i.e. from 27th rather than from 24th is interesting. I'm not a nightclub person so this may be wrong but I would expect most if not all would be closed on the 25th then 26th simply because a Sunday. Will some / many / almost all now open on 25th and 26th?
 
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Choosing after Boxing Day i.e. from 27th rather than from 24th is interesting. I'm not a nightclub person so this may be wrong but I would expect most if not all would be closed on the 25th then 26th simply because a Sunday. Will some / many / almost all now open on 25th and 26th?
I'd say it's more so the Welsh government won't need to pay out for the extra three days, pushing the burden of the closure onto the nightclubs themselves.
 

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Do any af the people making these decisions know precisely how virulent this new Omicron strain is, or are they just acting out a damage limitation exercise
After all the vast majority of us in the U.K. have had the three jabs.
 

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It's a pity these businesses can't afford to take the Government to court to prove why this is necessary. Drakeford is a total waste of space who spouts utter nonsense then imposes some rule that damages someone's livelihood.
 

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Fairly close to a majority though;
Perhaps "a large proportion of the population" would be a better statement.

So far, 89% of people aged 12 and over in the UK have had their first vaccine dose, 82% have had their second and 47% have had a booster.
This statement is false. According to the BBC summary page today[1] 47% of those aged 12 or above (so below 47% of the whole population) have had a third.
 

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So,in an announcement not made until midnight,crowds are banned at sporting events in Wales from Boxing Day.
That is everything from top professional sport down to the lowest of amateur levels.
But unlike during lockdown teams can carry on playing.So I won’t be able to go out and support my semi-pro rugby team.Which,to me,is worse than during the 18 months we were not allowed to play.
With no furlough scheme Drakeford cannot have a wholesale closure of businesses so I think sport has been picked out as as easy target.
So we have the situation where supporters of Welsh football clubs can go and watch their teams in England but not at home.
And lower level Welsh rugby clubs can pack people into their clubhouses and serve beer indoors but they can’t leave the clubhouse and watch the game in the open air..
Makes no sense.
 

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So,in an announcement not made until midnight,crowds are banned at sporting events in Wales from Boxing Day.
That is everything from top professional sport down to the lowest of amateur levels.
But unlike during lockdown teams can carry on playing.So I won’t be able to go out and support my semi-pro rugby team.Which,to me,is worse than during the 18 months we were not allowed to play.
With no furlough scheme Drakeford cannot have a wholesale closure of businesses so I think sport has been picked out as as easy target.
So we have the situation where supporters of Welsh football clubs can go and watch their teams in England but not at home.
And lower level Welsh rugby clubs can pack people into their clubhouses and serve beer indoors but they can’t leave the clubhouse and watch the game in the open air..
Makes no sense.
It's obviously designed to try and push Johnson into a similar stance.
 

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Mark Drakeford should be chased out of any sports venue, pub, club or restaurant he dares show his face in from now on.
 
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