No. The PF was issued due to a member of GTR staff not understanding Oyster card use.Do we agree that the penalty fare was issued on the basis that the OP did not do anything at Farringdon ?
I think we are talking about the same thing if you agree that failing to touch in/out at Farringdon can be interpreted as the same as doing nothing at FarringdonNo. The PF was issued due to a member of GTR staff not understanding Oyster card use.
Is there an OSI at Farringdon?Which, of course, had you done so, would have meant you paid for two separate journeys.
One journey Dagenham Dock to Farringdon (4.80 peak/ 3.20 off peak)
Farringdon to West Croydon (550/370)
Total 1030 / 690
Instead of the through fare where you pay for each zone only once.
This, I think, it is an important point. You are (or should) never be required to touch midway. As far as you have touch in at the beginning of the journey and touch out at the end, you should have done all you are required to. If this were not enough than it would be the system that is broken.I think you're missing my point. A pink reader touch is never required. They are purely to indicate that someone took a route avoiding zone 1 for a journey between a station pair that has more than one fare set. If a pair only has one fare set, that's of no concern to the passenger, and if there was more than one fare it is perfectly acceptable for the passenger to not use a pink reader, or simply not realise there are multiple fares and be charged the highest. That isn't the case here, anyway.
From the spreadsheet here (on TfL website), yes (at least AIUI), which replicates the In-Station-Interchange - there is no need to use it.Is there an OSI at Farringdon?
Agree, the pink readers are there to idntify the route you have taken, and thus indicate that a lower fare fare may be appropriate on completing journey and touching out.This, I think, it is an important point. You are (or should) never be required to touch midway. As far as you have touch in at the beginning of the journey and touch out at the end, you should have done all you are required to. If this were not enough than it would be the system that is broken.
The pink reader, I always read it written this way, were installed to let you show that you travelled avoiding zone 1, but there was never a requirement to touch them.
If you are doing a journey with a change where there is ink reader and you omit to do that, as far as I know, you just get the more expensive fare via zone 1, not a penalty.
against a higher alternative fare. NB the stations mentioned do not include Farringdon!Via Zone 1 changing between London Underground and National Rail at London Bridge or Victoria (or Blackfriars, Cannon Street, Charing Cross, Waterloo or Waterloo East)
There is no OSI at Farringdon as you can change between Thameslink and Underground without going out of station which ever platforms you want to go to and from since there is a bridge in the middle of the stationIs there an OSI at Farringdon?
This, I think, it is an important point. You are (or should) never be required to touch midway. As far as you have touch in at the beginning of the journey and touch out at the end, you should have done all you are required to. If this were not enough than it would be the system that is broken.
The pink reader, I always read it written this way, were installed to let you show that you travelled avoiding zone 1, but there was never a requirement to touch them.
If you are doing a journey with a change where there is ink reader and you omit to do that, as far as I know, you just get the more expensive fare via zone 1, not a penalty.
Agreed, and the OP indicated privately to me that they would submit the 3rd appeal yesterday.As the PF was already paid and two formal appeals have occurred, I'd say it is still necessary for the 3rd appeal to be submitted now - even if TfL intervenes and persuades the company not to oppose it - so that the legal entitlement to a speedy and complete refund kicks in if the appeal is upheld and any records get set straight. (Don't accept something informal that could lead to you still having a PF showing against your name or them changing their minds after the 3rd appeal deadline has passed.)
And if two formal appeals have occurred and denied, when this is the basic Oyster regulation touch in touch out - then there really should be an investigation into the effectiveness, fairness and protection that the appeals system is offering passengers.As the PF was already paid and two formal appeals have occurred, I'd say it is still necessary for the 3rd appeal to be submitted now - even if TfL intervenes and persuades the company not to oppose it - so that the legal entitlement to a speedy and complete refund kicks in if the appeal is upheld and any records get set straight. (Don't accept something informal that could lead to you still having a PF showing against your name or them changing their minds after the 3rd appeal deadline has passed.)