Replace the national anthem?

[LOL The Irony]

......is there a point to this?

Yes, it's in Israel.

 

[Meerkat]

Yes, it's in Israel.

So? Have you read the words?

 

[WAB]

Yes, it's in Israel.

It's not literal.

 

[LOL The Irony]

So? Have you read the words?

It's not literal.

- Hey, (British person), what's your national anthem called?
- Jerusalem.
- Isn't that in Israel?

And that's the problem with Jerusalem. It's not the content, but the name.

 

[Cowley]

- Hey, (British person), what's your national anthem called?
- Jerusalem.
- Isn't that in Israel?

And that's the problem with Jerusalem. It's not the content, but the name.

Perhaps change the name to ‘Birmingham’ then everyone will be happy…

 

[WAB]

- Hey, (British person), what's your national anthem called?
- Jerusalem.
- Isn't that in Israel?

And that's the problem with Jerusalem. It's not the content, but the name.

1. It would only be the English who would be fielding this question, as it would be the English National Anthem.
2. The Bangladeshi anthem is My Golden Bengal, despite Bengal covering an area in both India and Bangladesh.

 

[najaB]

I don't like God Save The Queen but how is its use in England disrespectful to Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland?

Using the same anthem for England as you do for the whole UK implies that England = UK. God Save the Queen should really only be used when more than one home nation is involved.

 

[Meerkat]

- Hey, (British person), what's your national anthem called?
- Jerusalem.
- Isn't that in Israel?

And that's the problem with Jerusalem. It's not the content, but the name.

How many times have you ever been asked that, and specifically how many times have you been asked what the English national anthem is (the true answer being “We don’t have one”)?
Jerusalem can’t be the UK anthem as it is about England.
HoW often is a national anthem even referred to by name, rather than as ‘the national anthem’?

 

[GusB]

- Hey, (British person), what's your national anthem called?
- Jerusalem.
- Isn't that in Israel?

And that's the problem with Jerusalem. It's not the content, but the name.

This is why I suggested something completely new. Surely it's not beyond the wit of Human to come up with something that reflects the values of a modern United Kingdom without dredging up ideas of an empire, colonialism or putting down rebellious challenges from certain parts of your country. It should be a celebration of a multi-nation, multi-cultural state that looks forward - not something that celebrates the questionable practices of the past. Is that something you really want to be proud of?

 

[Meerkat]

This is why I suggested something completely new. Surely it's not beyond the wit of Human to come up with something that reflects the values of a modern United Kingdom without dredging up ideas of an empire, colonialism or putting down rebellious challenges from certain parts of your country. It should be a celebration of a multi-nation, multi-cultural state that looks forward - not something that celebrates the questionable practices of the past. Is that something you really want to be proud of?

Good luck with that! You are just inviting a bitter culture war resulting in something most people hate!
And probably something that sounds appallingly dated after just a few years, with utterly cringeworthy lyrics.

 

[GusB]

Good luck with that! You are just inviting a bitter culture war resulting in something most people hate!
And probably something that sounds appallingly dated after just a few years, with utterly cringeworthy lyrics.

Rather like God Save the Queen, then

 

[WAB]

Rather like God Save the Queen, then

As with many things in life, whilst the status quo is not ideal, it has the benefit of being the "enemy we know".

 

[LOL The Irony]

Perhaps change the name to ‘Birmingham’ then everyone will be happy…

Manchester - it's performed by a drugged up Happy Mondays whilst they go full Texan with a Glock

2. The Bangladeshi anthem is My Golden Bengal, despite Bengal covering an area in both India and Bangladesh.

It's still part of Bangladesh then.

Using the same anthem for England as you do for the whole UK implies that England = UK.

Well that's why I think there should be a separate anthem for Britain.

God Save the Queen should really only be used when more than one home nation is involved.

And you've lost me. I think the complete opposite.

How many times have you ever been asked that, and specifically how many times have you been asked what the English national anthem is (the true answer being “We don’t have one”)?
Jerusalem can’t be the UK anthem as it is about England.
HoW often is a national anthem even referred to by name, rather than as ‘the national anthem’?

Because you just know people will take the p. Also England does have a national anthem, it's just shared with Great Britain.

This is why I suggested something completely new.

As long as it's not crap.

 

[GusB]

As long as it's not crap.

Well, you won't know if it's crap until the bloody thing is written, will you?! (Give me strength!)

 

[johnnychips]

The great virtue of God Save The Queen is that it is brief.

 

[WAB]

It's still part of Bangladesh then.

Yes, but it refers to another country, which is what Jerusalem does. Perhaps it just doesn't matter.

And you've lost me. I think the complete opposite.

You think all of the countries of the UK should use GSTQ when they are competing individually? I think you need to read up on UK political relations and cultural differences, because you don't seem to appreciate the strong national sentiments of Wales and Scotland.

Because you just know people will take the p. Also England does have a national anthem, it's just shared with Great Britain.

It is shared with the United Kingdom, not just Great Britain. We should respect the cultural diversity of the UK.

 

[XAM2175]

I think you need to read up on UK political relations and cultural differences, because you don't seem to appreciate the strong national sentiments of Wales and Scotland.

They mustn't hear very much about that sort of thing in the Mid-Cheshire part of Japan.

 

[najaB]

And you've lost me. I think the complete opposite.

Wales alone - Land of My Fathers
Scotland alone - Flower of Scotland / Highland Cathedral
England alone - Jerusalem / I Vow to Thee My Country
N. Ireland alone - Londonderry Air

Any two or more of the above - God Save the Queen.

Simple, no?

 

[Busaholic]

The great virtue of God Save The Queen is that it is brief.

Only because the full version is (mercifully) rarely heard.

 

[takno]

Wales alone - Land of My Fathers
Scotland alone - Flower of Scotland / Highland Cathedral
England alone - Jerusalem / I Vow to Thee My Country
N. Ireland alone - Londonderry Air

Any two or more of the above - God Save the Queen.

Simple, no?

The main issue with that is that Flower of Scotland is terrible. If you're going to go with awful modern tat you'd be better off with Loch Lomond - it's more upbeat and frankly less desperate

 

[najaB]

The main issue with that is that Flower of Scotland is terrible. If you're going to go with awful modern tat you'd be better off with Loch Lomond - it's more upbeat and frankly less desperate

I'm not a fan of it either, but ISTR that it came out in front the last time people were polled.

My personal choice would be Highland Cathedral.

 

[Neptune]

As for GSTQ being a dirge - that is only the formal version, it is anything but when belted out by a stadium full of fans.

It sounds like a bunch of p*ss*d up chavs when it’s ‘belted out in a stadium’. A bit like Tubthumping (the song that ruined Chumbawamba) or I predict a riot by the Kaiser Chiefs. Both awful songs made worse by football fans ‘singing’ (broadest sense of the word) it.

 

[Meerkat]

Also England does have a national anthem, it's just shared with Great Britain.

England does not have an official national anthem. It is up to individual sports to decide - hence cricket and football using different ones.

 

[DarloRich]

Curses! No like button.

one person gets it

 

[Geezertronic]

England does not have an official national anthem. It is up to individual sports to decide - hence cricket and football using different ones.

And the British Lions (Rugby) do not sing an anthem prior to their matches (and I am completely ignoring "The Power Of Four" which was a made up anthem which dramatically went south and was quietly forgotten about )

 

[Grumpus63]

I think that ultimately, a few years down the line, if Haslet and Megobtain manage to wangle their way into a King and Queen role then the National Anthem should be changed to "Gold" a track by Amanda Lear......

 

[Geezertronic]

I think that ultimately, a few years down the line, if Haslet and Megobtain manage to wangle their way into a King and Queen role then the National Anthem should be changed to "Gold" a track by Amanda Lear......

The Spandau Ballet "Gold" may be more appropriate

 

[takno]

I think that ultimately, a few years down the line, if Haslet and Megobtain manage to wangle their way into a King and Queen role then the National Anthem should be changed to "Gold" a track by Amanda Lear......

He's 6th in line to the throne. Dealing with that many kind hearts and coronets would be a rather disturbing degree of wangling

 

[DynamicSpirit]

I am quite happy with the national anthem but suggest we change it to the Sex Pistols version.

Isn't that, for all practical purposes, the version we get anyway whenever the football crowds sing God Save the Queen?

He's 6th in line to the throne. Dealing with that many kind hearts and coronets would be a rather disturbing degree of wangling

If those two ever get anywhere near the throne, we might need to modify the God Save the Queen lyrics slightly. Maybe something like, "God save us from the King,...."

 

[61653 HTAFC]

I'm not a fan of it either, but ISTR that it came out in front the last time people were polled.

My personal choice would be Highland Cathedral.

How about "Donald Where's Ye Troosers?"

England's should be "World In Motion". Specifically the bit that John Barnes rapped in the original.