Scotland - Framework out of the pandemic - 23rd February 2021

[bramling]

Always amuses me when the public health experts admit they think it's spreading because people are socialising in houses (which is illegal still). It makes you wonder why the government persists when restrictions are being widely ignored.

I would really love there to be a way of finding out just how much impact some of the restrictions have really had, in particular closing non-essential shops. It’s obvious large amounts of in-house socialising has been going on for all but the very early days of the first lockdown.

I’d say it’s a good bet that some of the measures have had little if any actual impact at all.

 

[Butts]

I would really love there to be a way of finding out just how much impact some of the restrictions have really had, in particular closing non-essential shops. It’s obvious large amounts of in-house socialising has been going on for all but the very early days of the first lockdown.

I’d say it’s a good bet that some of the measures have had little if any actual impact at all.

Why are all the Politicians and Media pretending everyone is obeying the rules ?

It's almost "The Emperor has no clothes on " being enacted before our very eyes.

 

[devon_metro]

Why are all the Politicians and Media pretending everyone is obeying the rules ?

It's almost "The Emperor has no clothes on " being enacted before our very eyes.

I assume the politicians and public health experts are spending too much time on twitter, which seems to be dominated by poeple afraid to leave their houses. The reality in the dangerous outside is quite different from the mass hysteria found on twitter/bbc news.

 

[Ian Cunningham]

I’m going to ask this bit differently, will she lift level 3 from both areas at same time though or if by chance she will lift it quicker for Glasgow than Moray now this could be the twist.

Unlikely - cases are falling rapidly in Moray and will likely be back under the Level 2 case-threshold before the end of next week so I can see Moray moving to Level 2 on 24th May. Glasgow is still rising but it seems to be localised hotspots so far. Until the case rate starts to consistenly fall I can't see Glasgow getting out of Level 3 anytime soon

 

[kez19]

Unlikely - cases are falling rapidly in Moray and will likely be back under the Level 2 case-threshold before the end of next week so I can see Moray moving to Level 2 on 24th May. Glasgow is still rising but it seems to be localised hotspots so far. Until the case rate starts to consistenly fall I can't see Glasgow getting out of Level 3 anytime soon

That makes a change to hear! Good news for Moray!

What are the areas in Glasgow with hotspots? I wonder if this will annoy the weegies the longer they stay at 3?

 

[adrock1976]

That makes a change to hear! Good news for Moray!

What are the areas in Glasgow with hotspots? I wonder if this will annoy the weegies the longer they stay at 3?

According to the news reports the other day, there is a call for those residing in G41/42 postcode areas to get tests for Covid.

 

[Ian Cunningham]

That makes a change to hear! Good news for Moray!

What are the areas in Glasgow with hotspots? I wonder if this will annoy the weegies the longer they stay at 3?

This BBC story from yesterday has a map showing the levels in Glasgow districts -also a graph showing the contrast between the curves in Glasgow and Moray

Covid in Scotland: Glasgow and Moray to remain under level 3 restrictions

First Minister Nicola Sturgeon made the announcement as cases continued to increase in Glasgow.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[kez19]

This BBC story from yesterday has a map showing the levels in Glasgow districts -also a graph showing the contrast between the curves in Glasgow and Moray

Covid in Scotland: Glasgow and Moray to remain under level 3 restrictions

First Minister Nicola Sturgeon made the announcement as cases continued to increase in Glasgow.

www.bbc.co.uk

I see it now on the map provided (thank you), Easterhouse (Central), and seems to be a bit of irony is it not with the recent demo/protest couple days ago... Pollokshields! (East/West)

According to the news reports the other day, there is a call for those residing in G41/42 postcode areas to get tests for Covid.

Had to google the postcodes to better understand

G41: Pollokshields, Shawlands, Dumbreck, Crossmyloof, and Strathbungo
G42: Rutherglen

 

[adrock1976]

I see it now on the map provided (thank you), Easterhouse (Central), and seems to be a bit of irony is it not with the recent demo/protest couple days ago... Pollokshields! (East/West)




Had to google the postcodes to better understand

G41: Pollokshields, Shawlands, Dumbreck, Crossmyloof, and Strathbungo
G42: Rutherglen

Rutherglen is G73.

G42 covers Vicky Road, Cathcart Road, Mount Florida, Langside, Battlefield, Toryglen.

 

[kez19]

Rutherglen is G73.

G42 covers Vicky Road, Cathcart Road, Mount Florida, Langside, Battlefield, Toryglen.

Apologies, I guess Google isn’t accurate in that part?

 

[Butts]

That makes a change to hear! Good news for Moray!

What are the areas in Glasgow with hotspots? I wonder if this will annoy the weegies the longer they stay at 3?

Hopefully we can contain them for the rest of the Year

 

[kez19]

Hopefully we can contain them for the rest of the Year

lol

 

[Scotrail314209]

I've got a feeling Glasgow is going to remain in Level 3 much longer than a week because of the inevitable spike that is going to come as a result of yesterdays horrific rioting.

 

[kez19]

I've got a feeling Glasgow is going to remain in Level 3 much longer than a week because of the inevitable spike that is going to come as a result of yesterdays horrific rioting.

I can’t see it happening, but I’ll expect a big hoo ha about it, but if you look at past demonstrations/protests nothing has happened, Sturgeon will probably add another week out of spite probably, plus supposedly there is an AUOB rally in Glasgow next Sunday I believe so shall we not say a word on this either? (not personally at you but it’s very selective in what should or shouldn’t happen)

Just to add or by chance the AUOB rally happens it’s level 2? There is more to this (saying this as in both Scotland and UK wide plus how the media reacts to certain situations)

 

[mcmad]

AUOB?

 

[RomeoCharlie71]

I've got a feeling Glasgow is going to remain in Level 3 much longer than a week because of the inevitable spike that is going to come as a result of yesterdays horrific rioting.

Don't worry, Glasgow is still waiting for the 3 week hospitality circuit breaker, imposed in September, to end.

 

[kez19]

AUOB?

All Under One Banner aka Independence rally

It tours parts of Scotland ie Glasgow, Dundee Edinburgh and all things in between, they also have “fun with flags” to but on motorways!

 

[Journeyman]

All Under One Banner aka Independence rally

It tours parts of Scotland ie Glasgow, Dundee Edinburgh and all things in between, they also have “fun with flags” to but on motorways!

Funny how that'll get permission to go ahead. Try organising a unionist rally and see how you get on.

 

[kez19]

Funny how that'll get permission to go ahead. Try organising a unionist rally and see how you get on.

Mind COVID is smart it knows which "protests/demos" to join and not too, or wait it must be media selective here!

EDIT: I may stand corrected if its not Glasgow next weekend its Edinburgh according to their social media.

"fun with flags" (was a Sheldon Big Bang quote), Bridges for Indy is the other counterpart.

 

[GusB]

Hopefully we can contain them for the rest of the Year

You're the one who insisted that you wouldn't abide by any of the restrictions, yet you jokingly suggest that people in Moray and Glasgow should be contained. Is it possible that you're the "super-spreader"?

Funny how that'll get permission to go ahead. Try organising a unionist rally and see how you get on.

Oh, change the record. Wasn't there a law passed about "repetitive beats"? I'm certainly getting bored with the sound of the drum that you keep banging.

Mind COVID is smart it knows which "protests/demos" to join and not too, or wait it must be media selective here!

EDIT: I may stand corrected if its not Glasgow next weekend its Edinburgh according to their social media.

"fun with flags" (was a Sheldon Big Bang quote), Bridges for Indy is the other counterpart.

What is "mind Covid"? Is this some new strain that addles the brain?

 

[Journeyman]

Oh, change the record. Wasn't there a law passed about "repetitive beats"? I'm certainly getting bored with the sound of the drum that you keep banging.

No, it's a legitimate question. Why is an independence rally being allowed to go ahead at a time of strict controls on public events?

 

[GusB]

No, it's a legitimate question. Why is an independence rally being allowed to go ahead at a time of strict controls on public events?

In my opinion it shouldn't be allowed at all.

 

[Journeyman]

In my opinion it shouldn't be allowed at all.

Exactly.

 

[kez19]

You're the one who insisted that you wouldn't abide by any of the restrictions, yet you jokingly suggest that people in Moray and Glasgow should be contained. Is it possible that you're the "super-spreader"?



Oh, change the record. Wasn't there a law passed about "repetitive beats"? I'm certainly getting bored with the sound of the drum that you keep banging.


What is "mind Covid"? Is this some new strain that addles the brain?

I usually say “mind” as a bit of a speech but still COVID is smart supposedly

In my opinion it shouldn't be allowed at all.

Well you can’t have one and not the rest to go ahead again goes back to is COVID smart? It is ironic however that politicians bleat about Rangers supporters gatecrashing George Square whilst others are using that exact spot either a week before or later. All protests/demos shouldn’t be allowed to go ahead if that’s the case but it’s political (just opinion/observation)

Edit: just to add I don’t support any football teams but it’s in general hypocrisy of it.

 

[MalaiseForever]

Why is an independence rally being allowed to go ahead at a time of strict controls on public events?

I think there is an exemption in the law for organised protests. Police should also apply common sense to unorganised protests where intervening may cause further risk to public health - or some variation thereof, which was discussed on Adam Wagner's twitter.

 

[GusB]

I usually say “mind” as a bit of a speech but still COVID is smart supposedly



Well you can’t have one and not the rest to go ahead again goes back to is COVID smart? It is ironic however that politicians bleat about Rangers supporters gatecrashing George Square whilst others are using that exact spot either a week before or later. All protests/demos shouldn’t be allowed to go ahead if that’s the case but it’s political (just opinion/observation)

Edit: just to add I don’t support any football teams but it’s in general hypocrisy of it.

I wasn't for one minute suggesting that one load of "supporters" should be allowed to go ahead while another group shouldn't.

What annoys me more than anything is that this thread has once again been allowed to descend into nothing but a stupid, childish anti-SNP rant. Debate about the restrictions in Scotland, which the topic of this thread is, is lost amidst the constant juvenile comments. It's "she" this and "she" that. Who is "she"?

It doesn't matter what political party you support; you should be able to feel free enough to engage in sensible debate here without the hostile environment. I'm certainly not in favour of the latest lot of restrictions, especially as it has completely buggered up my weekend plans, but this (along with any other thread that concerns Scotland) should not be seen as a general vehicle for "Nicola bashing". Some of you seriously need to grow up.

 

[kez19]

I wasn't for one minute suggesting that one load of "supporters" should be allowed to go ahead while another group shouldn't.

What annoys me more than anything is that this thread has once again been allowed to descend into nothing but a stupid, childish anti-SNP rant. Debate about the restrictions in Scotland, which the topic of this thread is, is lost amidst the constant juvenile comments. It's "she" this and "she" that. Who is "she"?

It doesn't matter what political party you support; you should be able to feel free enough to engage in sensible debate here without the hostile environment. I'm certainly not in favour of the latest lot of restrictions, especially as it has completely buggered up my weekend plans, but this (along with any other thread that concerns Scotland) should not be seen as a general vehicle for "Nicola bashing". Some of you seriously need to grow up.

Yet if I look it another way, if you are admin surely you should be at least respectful of opinions, I think we are having an adult conversation here and I think you telling people to grow up is the wrong way of saying it.

However she is in charge of Scotland though, people bash Boris and the UK government and its approach so Nicola and her government need to be held responsible for their actions but as far as I see she doesn’t and either plays dumb or it’s possibly being clever. As for politics personally I couldn’t care now as it’s all about them more than us just opinion, I had a bit of respect for politicians before COVID but now I don’t trust any of them be based in Scotland or UK itself, my trust in them has gone but even at media level that’s became a joke within itself, but as I say for me politicians don’t care about me or issues I am having or going through it’s self importance that’s it so why should I trust Sturgeon or Boris about my life? As it’s clear to me I’m just a number/voter and that’s all it matters.


As for your reply to me I never implied that to you I was only stating that if people are happy to moan about Rangers supporters having a jolly in Glasgow but yet say nothing either to previous or future events doesn’t that say something? If they say that events like protests/demos/celebrations shouldn’t happen then they should make it clear rather than what looks to me as double standards (however it can be looked as a breach of human rights if I am correct to say?)

 

[WestCoast]

As for your reply to me I never implied that to you I was only stating that if people are happy to moan about Rangers supporters having a jolly in Glasgow but yet say nothing either to previous or future events doesn’t that say something? If they say that events like protests/demos/celebrations shouldn’t happen then they should make it clear rather than what looks to me as double standards (however it can be looked as a breach of human rights if I am correct to say?)

Slight aside but as a local it seems to me that it's not covid regulations that irk most about the Rangers jolly (jollies), it's the way that a minority of their 'fans' treat the city, its businesses and the people that are going about their business there. It was horrible on Saturday. Nothing new of course. I'm not surprised that ordinary people are less bothered about the other events going ahead, but would have preferred football fans (if they are really that rather than hate mongers) to have stayed out of the way. And no, I don't support any of them so impartial.

 

[Ian Cunningham]

Funny how that'll get permission to go ahead. Try organising a unionist rally and see how you get on.

As far as I'm aware there is no AUOB march or demo planned until the Stirling march in September

 

[kez19]

As far as I'm aware there is no AUOB march or demo planned until the Stirling march in September

According to their social it’s in Edinburgh 22nd May

Slight aside but as a local it seems to me that it's not covid regulations that irk most about the Rangers jolly (jollies), it's the way that a minority of their 'fans' treat the city, its businesses and the people that are going about their business there. It was horrible on Saturday. Nothing new of course. I'm not surprised that ordinary people are less bothered about the other events going ahead, but would have preferred football fans (if they are really that rather than hate mongers) to have stayed out of the way. And no, I don't support any of them so impartial.

I also heard on BBC Scotland this morning arrests have been made in regards to event, so if they are making arrests to this then why the others? Or is it just trying to push a bad light onto Rangers and it’s supporters? I’m failing to understand why (include the media), that certain events they stand back and watch whilst others that happen it seems to be they stand for the cause? Whilst this part I speak of maybe a UKwide issue in terms of media coverage but it does raise more questions and why are the media doing this?