Definitely just a rumour that ScotRail are taking them. Why on earth would ScotRail take on more HST sets?
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Well ScotRail aren't exactly smitten with their HSTs from what I understand, so I don't understand where the rumours came from. I'd bank on it being the other way round and the Inter7City sets are replaced by new trains.
Falcon1200
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Where would sufficient 387s come from ? The only part of their original planned work for which they are not currently required is Didcot/Oxford, and a number have been pinched for Heathrow Express !
irish_rail
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Well its true that short IETs are being looked at to replace the GWR castle sets. Nothing concrete though.
Realistically they won't be going anywhere until full 769 introduction, at the earliest. Then they will go straight to SIMS
matchmaker
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I had my first Scotrail HST trip yesterday on the 1345 Queen Street - Aberdeen as far as Stirling. I have to confess that I was rather disappointed. I was seated in a TS near one end. The vestibule doors were stuck open, the seats were a bit uncomfortable, and most annoying/concerning, there was a loud and easily felt "bang" every so often from I assume the bogie.
47827
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Hopefully you raised the issues with staff on the day and could move seats. It's possible the sticking door could have been sorted out by someone taking a look and adjusting something.
hexagon789
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14 sets were out today, including 3 five-car.
Sadly HA13 failed at Dundee, working 1A59 the 1041 GLQ-ABD.
Sadly HA13 failed at Dundee, working 1A59 the 1041 GLQ-ABD.
Oscar46016
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is there a list of scotrail hst diagrams anywhere? I had a look on the 125 website but the latest version they have is december 2020?
Thanks
Thanks
hexagon789
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Current or those from May?
Oscar46016
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Both - or either!
hexagon789
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I'll put up the current ones first then I'll hunt out the new ones and tidy up the formatting a bit.
Current ScotRail HST diagrams
(Valid until 14/05/22)
MONDAYS-FRIDAYS
1B14 0456 INV-EDB
1H13 1333 EDB-INV
1T62 1727 INV-GLQ
1T04 0534 ABD-GLQ
1H51 1209 GLQ-INV
1A60 1811 INV-ABD
1T54 2049 ABD-GLQ
2K21 0545 EDB-KDY
5K18 0643 KDY-CDD
2K18 0737 CDD-EDB
1A71 1132 EDB-ABD
1T34 1538 ABD-GLQ
1A87 1841 GLQ-ABD
1H43 2156 ABD-INV
1B07 0547 ABD-EDB
1A55 0928 EDB-ABD
1B32 1313 ABD-EDB
2L69 1719 EBD-CDD
5L70 CDD-Cadder ECS
1A47 0553 GLQ-ABD
1T14 0944 ABD-GLQ
1A63 1239 GLQ-ABD
1B40 1604 ABD-EDB
1A88 1931 EDB-ABD
1A44 0601 INV-ABD
1T38 1644 ABD-DEE
5T38 1837 DEE-ABD ECS
1B42 2106 ABD-EDB
1H23 0618 ABD-INV
1T98 0845 INV-GLQ
1H15 1508 GLQ-INV
1B44 1850 INV-EDB
1T90 0639 ABD-GLQ
1A57 0941 GLQ-ABD
1T22 1255 ABD-GLQ
1A73 1539 GLQ-ABD
1H05 0655 GLQ-INV
1A50 1102 INV-ABD
1H33 1342 ABD-INV
1A58 1714 INV-ABD
1T48 1947 ABD-GLQ
5A45 Cadder-EDB ECS
1A45 0727 EDB-ABD
1B24 1101 ABD-EDB
1A78 1530 EDB-ABD
1T44 1842 ABD-GLQ
1A95 2140 GLQ-ABD
1T10 0739 ABD-GLQ
1A59 1041 GLQ-ABD
1T26 1350 ABD-GLQ
1A77 1639 GLQ-ABD
1B51 2010 ABD-EDB
1A51 0742 GLQ-ABD
1T40 1739 ABD-GLQ
1A91 2041 GLQ-ABD
1A49 0831 EDB-ABD
1B28 1207 ABD-EDB
1H19 1941 EDB-INV
1H07 0835 EDB-INV
1B31 1249 INV-EDB
1A81 1734 EDB-ABD
1A53 0841 GLQ-ABD
1B35 1356 ABD-EDB
5K14 XHA-Cadder ECS
1T12 0854 ABD-GLQ
1A61 1139 GLQ-ABD
1T32 1445 ABD-GLQ
1A83 1742 GLQ-ABD
SATURDAYS
1B14 0456 INV-EDB
1H13 1333 EDB-INV
1A58 1714 INV-ABD
1B51 2011 ABD-EDB
1A41 0530 EDB-ABD
1B18 0906 ABD-EDB
5K14 XHA-Cadder ECS
1T04 0534 ABD-GLQ
1H51 1208 GLQ-INV
1B07 0549 ABD-EDB
1A55 0931 EDB-ABD
1B32 1315 ABD-EDB
1A47 0553 GLQ-ABD
1T14 0944 ABD-GLQ
1A63 1239 GLQ-ABD
1B40 1604 ABD-EDB
1A88 1935 EDB-ABD
1A44 0601 INV-ABD
1T38 1645 ABD-DEE
5T38 1837 DEE-ABD ECS
1B42 2106 ABD-EDB
1H23 0618 ABD-INV
1T98 0845 INV-GLQ
1H15 1508 GLQ-INV
1B44 1850 INV-EDB
1T90 0639 ABD-GLQ
1A57 0940 GLQ-ABD
1T22 1246 ABD-GLQ
1A73 1541 GLQ-ABD
1H05 0708 GLQ-INV
1A50 1102 INV-ABD
1H33 1342 ABD-INV
1T62 1727 INV-GLQ
5A45 Cadder-EDB
1A45 0729 EDB-ABD
1B24 1101 ABD-EDB
1A78 1531 EDB-ABD
1T44 1840 ABD-GLQ
1A95 2141 GLQ-ABD
1T10 0738 ABD-GLQ
1A59 1039 GLQ-ABD
1T26 1350 ABD-GLQ
1A77 1643 GLQ-ABD
1T48 1945 ABD-GLQ
5A51 XHA-GLQ ECS
1A51 0741 GLQ-ABD
1T40 1739 ABD-GLQ
1A91 2040 GLQ-ABD
1H07 0834 EDB-INV
1B31 1249 INV-EDB
1A81 1735 EDB-INV
1T54 2048 ABD-GLQ
1A53 0841 GLQ-ABD
1B35 1401 ABD-EDB
1H19 1939 EDB-INV
1T12 0851 ABD-GLQ
1A61 1140 GLQ-ABD
1T32 1445 ABD-GLQ
1A83 1741 GLQ-ABD
1A71 1130 EDB-INV
1T34 1538 ABD-GLQ
1A87 1839 GLQ-ABD
1H43 2156 ABD-INV
SUNDAYS
1H45 0929 EDB-INV
1B54 1522 INV-EDB
1A99 2100 EDB-ABD
1T76 0930 ABD-GLQ
1A86 1243 GLQ-ABD
1T85 1631 ABD-GLQ
1A93 1944 GLQ-ABD
1A81 0937 GLQ-ABD
1T82 1334 ABD-GLQ
1A90 1645 GLQ-ABD
1T88 1930 ABD-GLQ
1T77 1033 ABD-GLQ
1A97 1345 GLQ-ABD
1T86 1745 ABD-GLQ
1A95 2145 GLQ-ABD
1B52 1053 INV-EDB
1H43 1551 EDB-INV
1H09 1111 GLQ-INV
1T72 1626 INV-GLQ
1A52 1234 INV-ABD
1H35 1524 ABD-INV
1B62 1852 INV-EDB
1A65 1241 EDB-ABD
1B43 1704 ABD-EDB
1B44 - 1326 INV-EDB
5R95 1500 XHA-GLQ ECS
1H13 1438 GLQ-ELG
5H13 1903 ELG-Inverness TMD ECS
1A87 1705 EDB-ABD
1B64 2008 ABD-EDB
Edit: forgot the CRS codes:
ABD - Aberdeen
CDD - Cardenden
EDB - Edinburgh (Waverley)
ELG - Elgin
DEE - Dundee
GLQ - Glasgow Queen Street
INV - Inverness
KDY - Kirkcaldy
XHA - Haymarket Depot
Oscar46016
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Superb! many thanks
adrock1976
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Is the First Class on the HSTs intended to be at the London end or the Aberdeen/Inverness end of the train?
Also, regarding the Cardenden workings that I have bolded, would this put the First Class (although declassified) coach at the wrong end of the train for the next passenger working assuming it continues round the loop?
First class could be at either end. Due to them not always working back and forth on the same routes (and some of their empty moves) can result in the Set chopping and changing which direction they’re going round in. Especially in the example you have mentioned above.
hexagon789
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Don't believe there is a set end for First Class. Many diagrams interwork over 2, 3 or even 4 routes so can end up in any orientation over a days duty.
Edit: as an example of FC orientation - of the 17 HST departures from Glasgow Queen Street today, 10 had First Class at the tunnel mouth end and the other 7 at the buffer stop end of Queen St.
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An HST on Fife circle stoppers? That's different!
hexagon789
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Been there a while. In fact there was a second such working some months ago, removed a few weeks after the December timetable change - a full anti-clockwise morning turn IIRC
FlybeDash8Q400
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All of the former 68+Mk2 diagrams became HST operated from the December timetable change, but it didn’t last very long at all as the reductions came in - one even failed on the first day of the HST’s doing the lot.
Currently only 3 of the 7 services originally planned to be HST operated are actually HST operated (The Cardenden service each way and a morning Edinburgh to Kirkcaldy service, they’re all listed above) and I can’t see it going back to the full 7 anytime soon - possibly never.
adrock1976
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i like the concept of a ‘London end’ of trains that operate solely in Scotland!
hexagon789
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It might be a tad awkward at Edinburgh Waverley, as both directions can lead to London!
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I f I read this correctly (and forgive me if I am wrong) - but that indicates that only 2 weekday services from Inverness direct to Glasgow Queen St are HST's? If so that pretty poor!
hexagon789
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Three - the 0655, 1209 and 1808 off GLQ and two back 0845 and 1727 from Inverness.
That will change in May to four each way:
0707 GLQ-INV
1007 GLQ-INV
1207 GLQ-INV
1507 GLQ-INV
0536 INV-GLQ*
0845 INV-GLQ
1449 INV-GLQ
1726 INV-GLQ
The following services will thus be units:
1439 GLQ-INV via ABD
1907 GLQ-INV
0942 INV-GLQ*
1545 INV-GLQ
2043 INV-GLQ
*new/ammended services
I will post the entire new diagrams in a moment. I'm just tidying up the formatting so it should post with a neater appearance.
CEN60
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Thanks - sorry I missed one on the original list - 4 is a bit better - but the 0845 from Inverness to Queen St still makes no sense - it misses the connection from Kyle by about 3 mins!!!!! Come on Scotrail - sort that out!!!!
hexagon789
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Easily done when the workings are in diagram not route form.
Sadly it gets worse, the Kyle arrival becomes 0850 in May, missing the Glasgow by 5 minutes and reducing the connection into the 0855 Aberdeen to the minimum 5 mins.
Railperf
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Looking at Yesterday's diagrams out of Inverness:
3 of 4 services to Edinburgh were HST's (one runs via Aberdeen rather than Perth)
2 of 4 services to Glasgow were HST's
5 of 10 services to Aberdeen were HST's
And four of 11 services down the Highland Mainline are HST's with one IET!
hexagon789
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15 sets were ready in the morning but two failed.
Today however 16 sets are out as diagrammed!
CEN60
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Seems strange that more are used on the Aberdeen Service - you would assume that is more lightly loaded?
As the program is pretty much complete (apart from the addition of the 5th coach) this thread is now closed.
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is there a list of scotrail hst diagrams anywhere? I had a look on the 125 website but the latest version they have is december 2020? Thanks
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