ScotRail HST Introduction - Updates & Discussion

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I have the following as still outstanding: 42029, 42033, 42035, 42054, 42056, 42077, 42078, 42096, 42144, 42185, 42213 and 42351.

Very happy to be corrected if I am wrong!
I have 42029/213/351 as having been released from Wabtec on 25 February. The other nine I agree are still outstanding.
 

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Currently only 1 runs as a hst the 1719 Cardenden. From cadder being operational 2k21 and 2k18 should revert to hst in the morning with the 1719 being the evening working
Thanks, I knew there was one couldn't recall if there were 2.
 

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There were quite a lot of reliability problems when the Hsts were introduced by Scotrail, had they settled down pre-covid?
According to Modern Railways - reliability is stable - around 6,100 miles per technical incident - compared to 7,500 for GWR's fleet. Compare this to EMR's figure of 11,500 miles - and it shows there is work to do. Though EMR have the benefit of donkeys years experience at Neville Hill depot to call on.
I guess Scotrail engineers are still getting used to the foibles of these new sets. It isn't clear how reliable the new sliding door systems are either or whether these are accountable for the lower reliability than EMR's non sliding door fleet.
 

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If anyone wishes to post suggestions for alternative provision you are welcome to do so

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According to Modern Railways - reliability is stable - around 6,100 miles per technical incident - compared to 7,500 for GWR's fleet. Compare this to EMR's figure of 11,500 miles - and it shows there is work to do. Though EMR have the benefit of donkeys years experience at Neville Hill depot to call on.
I guess Scotrail engineers are still getting used to the foibles of these new sets. It isn't clear how reliable the new sliding door systems are either or whether these are accountable for the lower reliability than EMR's non sliding door fleet.
What won’t have helped ScotRail was Angels choice of dropping the GEC Traction Motored power cars on them, while GW retained the more reliable Brush ones. IIRC I believe Landore used to work their magic with the GEC versions, eventually getting them to be more reliable. Im not sure if some staff from Craigentinny may have transferred over to Haymarket, but I think the majority of the EC fleet were Brush than GEC - @43096 will likely be able to confirm?
 

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What won’t have helped ScotRail was Angels choice of dropping the GEC Traction Motored power cars on them, while GW retained the more reliable Brush ones. IIRC I believe Landore used to work their magic with the GEC versions, eventually getting them to be more reliable. Im not sure if some staff from Craigentinny may have transferred over to Haymarket, but I think the majority of the EC fleet were Brush than GEC - @43096 will likely be able to confirm?
Surely there were enough Brush ones to go round? Can the Brush ones or bogies be retrofitted?
 

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There have been several notable complete failures on the HML of HSTs over the past few months. They also continue to suffer daily issues such as doors, speedo, compressor and engines not starting.

Some of the original sets have been sent back to Wabtec for remedial warranty work on door systems, among other things. I understand that these door issues have been a fairly substantial of late.

It will be very interesting to see the reliability figures once the whole fleet are in service.
 

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What won’t have helped ScotRail was Angels choice of dropping the GEC Traction Motored power cars on them, while GW retained the more reliable Brush ones. IIRC I believe Landore used to work their magic with the GEC versions, eventually getting them to be more reliable. Im not sure if some staff from Craigentinny may have transferred over to Haymarket, but I think the majority of the EC fleet were Brush than GEC - @43096 will likely be able to confirm?
East Coast have only ever had Brush traction motor power cars, the GEC cars were always Western based.
 

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There have been several notable complete failures on the HML of HSTs over the past few months. They also continue to suffer daily issues such as doors, speedo, compressor and engines not starting.

Some of the original sets have been sent back to Wabtec for remedial warranty work on door systems, among other things. I understand that these door issues have been a fairly substantial of late.

It will be very interesting to see the reliability figures once the whole fleet are in service.
Oh dear. That's not great! These seem to be elementary items? IIRC , LNER (ex VTEC) fleet were one of the most reliable in the country at one time posting better figures then the Azumas are currently. The door systems are new - granted. But the rest?
 

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There have been several notable complete failures on the HML of HSTs over the past few months. They also continue to suffer daily issues such as doors, speedo, compressor and engines not starting.

Some of the original sets have been sent back to Wabtec for remedial warranty work on door systems, among other things. I understand that these door issues have been a fairly substantial of late.

It will be very interesting to see the reliability figures once the whole fleet are in service.
Some of these issues sound very familiar, are the same causes or are more developing leading to issues with certain items? I'm thinking compressor and speedo issues mainly as these have come up before way back at the beginning.
 

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For the avoidance of doubt this thread is concerned with the introduction of HSTs to Scotrail. We have discussed, to death, on other threads whether they were a good idea or not and it is not for that discussion to be rehashed on this thread. Anyone interested in that should review the existing threads we have on the topic such as these:
If you find that your ideas haven't yet been mentioned or you feel that some aspect of the introduction shows now more than then that they were a bad/good idea then by all means start a new thread in Speculative Ideas to discuss your views. THis thread, however, is for the reality on the ground and that reality is that Scotrail have procured a fleet of HSTs.

Further there was also a discussion around the Highland Mainline timetable developing which was interesting but getting off-topic for a thread about the introduction of HSTs those posts can now be found here in their own dedicated thread and I'd encourage members to continue the interesting discussion there please.

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Some of these issues sound very familiar, are the same causes or are more developing leading to issues with certain items? I'm thinking compressor and speedo issues mainly as these have come up before way back at the beginning.
I must be lucky. I've not had any problems with my HSTs at all. None.
 

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For the avoidance of doubt this thread is concerned with the introduction of HSTs to Scotrail. We have discussed, to death, on other threads whether they were a good idea or not and it is not for that discussion to be rehashed on this thread. Anyone interested in that should review the existing threads we have on the topic such as these.
Thank You @ainsworth74 for the tidy-up.

Heading back to the original topic, has there been any further news regarding the 5 car test runs? There was a few pictures floating around on it's first run around the Fife Circle last week but I've not heard of any more test runs with it.
 

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I must be lucky. I've not had any problems with my HSTs at all. None.
I've not experienced one, but this thread seems to be fairly well endowed with such anecdotes. The speedo issues in particular I remember from the beginning, that was supposed to be related to the ATP equipment but this was supposed to be removed to improve the reliability, so surely not the same issue again there
 

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I've not experienced one, but this thread seems to be fairly well endowed with such anecdotes. The speedo issues in particular I remember from the beginning, that was supposed to be related to the ATP equipment but this was supposed to be removed to improve the reliability, so surely not the same issue again there

Indeed, ScotRail have removed all the GW Speedometers with the ATP equipment in and fitted standard speedometers in their place. They were auctioning one or two off last year for their chosen charity.
 

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Indeed, ScotRail have removed all the GW Speedometers with the ATP equipment in and fitted standard speedometers in their place. They were auctioning one or two off last year for their chosen charity.
Right enough, I'd forgotten about that. In which case the question remains what's now causing speedo issues
 

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Just a footnote to say we've decided to move the discussion about the derailment into it's own thread here. It wasn't initially clear quite how much discussion would end up resulting (some derailments barely get remarked upon!) so it was kept to this thread initially but clearly it's now a significant enough topic to warrant its own dedicated thread. Apologies for any confusion :oops:
 

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Forgive my ignorance, but does anyone have the formations for all the sets? It's been a while since I had a look at what was what.
 

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SetLiveryA (TGFB)B (TSD)C (TS)D (TSL)E (TSL)Remarks
HA01SR740601420044256142046-#1 to Scotland 17/08/18 (as HA26)
HA02SR740602422924256242045-#2 to Scotland 11/01/19 (as HA25). To Doncaster 09/02/21.
HA03SR740603420214255742143-#14 to Scotland 12/03/20 (as HA13)
HA04SR740604421834255942343-#3 to Scotland 21/03/19 (as HA24)
HA05SR740605423454203442184-#4 to Scotland 04/05/19 (as HA23)
HA06SR740606422064258142208-#24 to Scotland. To Slateford for temporary storage (13/11/20)
HA07SR740607-42574--#18 to Scotland 22/06/20. Stored Slateford (31/03/21)
HA08SR74060842055*4257142019-#5 to Scotland 27/05/19 (as HA22) To Doncaster 17/02/21.
HA09SR740609422534210742257-#12 to Scotland 11/02/20 (as HA15)
HA10SR740610423604255142252-#10 to Scotland 21/12/19 (as HA17)
HA11SR740611422674232542301-#19 to Scotland 06/08/20
HA12SR74061242275*4257642276-#6 to Scotland 03/07/19 (as HA21)
HA13SR740613422794228042296-#20 to Scotland 17/08/20
HA14SR740614420124224542013-#23 to Scotland, 30/10/20
HA15SR740615420304257942010-#22 to Scotland, 19/10/20
HA16SR740616422914257742075-#7 to Scotland 09/08/19 (as HA20)
HA17SR740617422954255842250-#21 to Scotland, 29/09/20
HA18SR740618422974255542014-#13 to Scotland 21/02/20 (as HA14)
HA19SR74061942255425684225642029 $#26 to Scotland 25/02/21.
HA20SR740620422004257542129-#25 to Scotland. To Slateford for temporary storage (28/11/20)
HA21SR740621422994230042277-#16 to Scotland 05/05/20
HA22SR740622420074256442145-#15 to Scotland 08/04/20 (as HA12). Withdrawn.
HA23SR740623422684256742269-#17 to Scotland 29/05/20
HA24SR740624422654255342293-#9 to Scotland 10/12/19 (as HA18)
HA25SR740625422594257842333-#8 to Scotland 14/11/19 (as HA19)
HA26SR740626422814207242350-

Courtesy of the scot-rail website
 

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SetLiveryA (TGFB)B (TSD)C (TS)D (TSL)E (TSL)Remarks
HA01SR740601420044256142046-#1 to Scotland 17/08/18 (as HA26)
HA02SR740602422924256242045-#2 to Scotland 11/01/19 (as HA25). To Doncaster 09/02/21.
HA03SR740603420214255742143-#14 to Scotland 12/03/20 (as HA13)
HA04SR740604421834255942343-#3 to Scotland 21/03/19 (as HA24)
HA05SR740605423454203442184-#4 to Scotland 04/05/19 (as HA23)
HA06SR740606422064258142208-#24 to Scotland. To Slateford for temporary storage (13/11/20)
HA07SR740607-42574--#18 to Scotland 22/06/20. Stored Slateford (31/03/21)
HA08SR74060842055*4257142019-#5 to Scotland 27/05/19 (as HA22) To Doncaster 17/02/21.
HA09SR740609422534210742257-#12 to Scotland 11/02/20 (as HA15)
HA10SR740610423604255142252-#10 to Scotland 21/12/19 (as HA17)
HA11SR740611422674232542301-#19 to Scotland 06/08/20
HA12SR74061242275*4257642276-#6 to Scotland 03/07/19 (as HA21)
HA13SR740613422794228042296-#20 to Scotland 17/08/20
HA14SR740614420124224542013-#23 to Scotland, 30/10/20
HA15SR740615420304257942010-#22 to Scotland, 19/10/20
HA16SR740616422914257742075-#7 to Scotland 09/08/19 (as HA20)
HA17SR740617422954255842250-#21 to Scotland, 29/09/20
HA18SR740618422974255542014-#13 to Scotland 21/02/20 (as HA14)
HA19SR74061942255425684225642029 $#26 to Scotland 25/02/21.
HA20SR740620422004257542129-#25 to Scotland. To Slateford for temporary storage (28/11/20)
HA21SR740621422994230042277-#16 to Scotland 05/05/20
HA22SR740622420074256442145-#15 to Scotland 08/04/20 (as HA12). Withdrawn.
HA23SR740623422684256742269-#17 to Scotland 29/05/20
HA24SR740624422654255342293-#9 to Scotland 10/12/19 (as HA18)
HA25SR740625422594257842333-#8 to Scotland 14/11/19 (as HA19)
HA26SR740626422814207242350-

Courtesy of the scot-rail website
Thanks very much!
 

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