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Can’t see the full text, but this article seems to be suggesting that the prospect of disruption during COP26 is focussing ministerial minds

Can you provide a link to an article that isn't behind a paywall?
 
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Unfortunately not. I’ve not seen it elsewhere.

MINISTERS have intervened to try to end a dispute that threatens to bring Scotland's railways to a grinding halt when the world's eyes are on the nation during the United Nations Climate Change Conference (COP 26) in Glasgow in November.

Formal notice has been served that industrial action will begin in 11 days time for crucial engineering staff to take rolling industrial action. It comes as Maggie Chapman, the former co-convenor of the Scottish Greens, who have reached a government partnership arrangement with the SNP has suggested putting workers and passengers on the ScotRail board to avoid the issues that have arisen.

Railway bosses have been warned that the action by 250 engineers alone, who provide maintenance, overhaul and repair services for the railway rolling stock would bring the nation's railways to a standstill. Unite, who represent the engineers, say that if their safety critical work is not carried out, then the nation’s railway network will not be able to effectively operate.

It comes as union leaders revealed that despite the rail network presently operating at less than 50% of "normal" passenger numbers due to the Covid pandemic, Abellio Scotrail has still had to call back engineers from rest days due to a combination of "disorganised chaos" and under-staffing. Rail passenger numbers fell by as much as 90%.

Unite understands that rest day working is estimated to have cost Abellio Scotrail around £50,723 in 2020, and for the year to date, around £347,752.

The industrial action will include a rest day working ban, a ban on overtime and a refusal to use tablets, phones and iPads for inputting of information on management information systems. It also means there will be no undertaking of driving duties and no operation of plant engineering. But after months of impasse with unions, ScotRail, run by Dutch state-owned firm Abellio, are to hold discussions with those representing the engineering staff to end the dispute - which could have ramifications for a series of parallel staff grievances.

Unite says that talks are set for Wednesday with Abellio ScotRail bosses following Scottish parliamentary pressure and interventions by MSPs, the First Minister Nicola Sturgeon, and the Transport Minister, Graeme Day. But ScotRail insists is position remains the same as it has been for several months: "There is no extra money."

"The Scottish Government have been clear that there is no extra money available, as the union leadership is very well aware," the spokesman said, adding that there has always been a willingness to engage with the unions.

Unite said that Mr Dey told union leaders last week that he would be encouraging Abellio to get around the negotiating table and stated that he felt "members deserved a pay rise".

Ms Sturgeon has also called on both parties to "get round the table to find an agreement."

She added: "It is in nobody's interest - not least the workers - to have this dispute continue any longer."

The union says Abellio ScotRail need to make a "serious offer" at the pay talks as industrial action would bring the rail network to a "standstill".

But ScotRail has said railway staff "need to be working together, not engaging in divisive and potentially destructive disputes".

Mr Dey has said he has had discussions with both sides to encourage "every constructive effort to resolve the situation".

"We have encouraged unions and management to come together constructively and to identify efficiencies on both sides that could be used to fund reasonable pay increases," he said.

SNP MSPs had last week sought the suspension of a ScotRail strike ballot for action that if supported would disrupt the COP 26 climate change conference in Glasgow in November.

Disruption to travellers was threatened after the Rail, Maritime and Transport union (RMT) announced ScotRail staff were being consulted over potential strike action after being offered no pay increase.

RMT members - who make up the largest part of ScotRai's unionised workforce - have been recommended to back both a strike and taking action short of a strike "during the whole duration of the COP 26 conference" which runs from November 1 to 12.

That move comes on top of disruption to passengers in a separate RMT conductors’ dispute over payments for working on days off, which has seen the cancellation of many ScotRail trains on Sundays since March.

Most ScotRail services were again cancelled yesterday (Sunday).

Gatelines at ScotRail stations also joined conductors, ticket examiners and cleaners in taking industrial action over a pay dispute.

The engineers' pay dispute is over the failure by ScotRail to make a meaningful pay offer, as well as the company withdrawing a payments for working on rest days in April 2020.

Pat McIlvogue, Unite industrial officer, said: "Abellio Scotrail must make a serious offer to our engineering members or we will start forms of continuous industrial action from September 24. We can't emphasise enough the disorganised chaos which prevails at Abellio Scotrail. Due to mismanagement and staff shortages, engineers are being called back in on their rest days and overtime levels have increased costing around £1m since 2020."

Unite also met with the Transport Minister last week who went on the record stating our members "deserve" a pay rise. The company has little over a week to sort this out or the nation's rail network will effectively come to a standstill due to the specialised nature of work which our members provide. Industrial action will severely disrupt events including the COP 26 climate change conference in Glasgow, which would be a national embarrassment contrived by Abellio ScotRail."

ScotRail did not directly comment on the reigniting of negotiations.

A spokesman instead reiterated its previous stance that it was "extremely disappointing" that the engineering members of Unite voted for the action which comes at "the wrong at a time when we need to deliver a safe and reliable service".

"We need to provide stability for our staff and customers and Unite is wrong to disrupt services instead of working with ScotRail to address the grave long-term challenges facing the rail industry," he said.

Maggie Chapman has said: "It seems that Abellio has little interest in acting responsibly, given that the ScotRail franchise is soon to be transferred into public ownership.

"It is clear we need a long-term partnership between the workers, passengers and the government to avoid the problems that have arisen with Abellio."

Abellio's turnover for 2020 at £917m was down from the previous accounting period, principally due to passenger income falling from £445.3m in 2019 to £360.4m.

Abellio claimed Covid-19 had had a "significant impact" on the financial performance of the company, despite the first UK national lockdown being announced just days before the end of the reporting period.

It was confirmed in March that a further £450m in emergency funding was expected to be given to rail operators until March, next year on top of the usual subsidies, after which Dutch state-owned transport firm Abellio relinquishes control of ScotRail. A confirmed EMAs (emergency measures agreements) has been put in place for £173m till September, 2021.

Some 97% of the emergency payouts go to Abellio-controlled ScotRail with the remainder going to Caledonian Sleeper, which is run by Serco.

In 2019/20, before the Covid-19 crisis, Scotland's railways cost the taxpayer £832.6m which is made up solely of subsidies of £476.9m to Abellio ScotRail, £13m to Serco Caledonian Sleeper as well as £355.7m paid directly to publicly owned Network Rail for the keep of the infrastructure, which includes the track and signals.

Transport Scotland said the the EMAs were originally required because of a "very significant shortfall in revenue due to an around 90% drop in passengers".

The Scottish Government agency said the extra money for the 2021/22 financial year is the result of "projections of expected revenue shortfalls" till September, 2021.

Transport secretary Michael Matheson earlier this year said that ScotRail would come under public ownership run through an arm's-length company controlled by the Scottish Government, declaring that the current system of rail franchising "is no longer fit for purpose".

Mr Matheson said the move will come through "operator of last resort arrangements" after he decided it was not the right time to seek a franchise procurement competition to run Scotland's railways after Abellio ends it control in March, 2022.

It came a year after ministers announced it had stripped Abellio of the franchise three years early in the wake of continuing outcry over service failings and rising costs to the taxpayer.
 

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I don’t see any way out of this soon. ScotRail staff will be absolutely determined to bring the network to a halt unless a meaningful offer for each of the roles and grades is made, especially the maintenance staff. Some of the starting salaries for maintenance staff at ScotRail are abysmal, and there were some ongoing grievances with management among maintenance staff as well. Note also that no driving will be undertaken, so no depot shunting will go ahead either.

If the stance is ‘no extra money available’ then a strike is unavoidable. If it wasn’t for the embarrassment of it happening during COP 26 then I doubt the Scottish Government would be too bothered about that though. Everything else in Glasgow is a shambles at the minute and the government don’t seem bothered about any of that.
 

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Most of the public sector have not had a pay rise in years - its a bit rich in the current economic climate to go down the strike route - its just going to alienate people more.
 

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I don’t see any way out of this soon. ScotRail staff will be absolutely determined to bring the network to a halt unless a meaningful offer for each of the roles and grades is made, especially the maintenance staff. Some of the starting salaries for maintenance staff at ScotRail are abysmal, and there were some ongoing grievances with management among maintenance staff as well. Note also that no driving will be undertaken, so no depot shunting will go ahead either.

If the stance is ‘no extra money available’ then a strike is unavoidable. If it wasn’t for the embarrassment of it happening during COP 26 then I doubt the Scottish Government would be too bothered about that though. Everything else in Glasgow is a shambles at the minute and the government don’t seem bothered about any of that.
Oh good, let's have a strike - then we will have plenty of time to recover from that shot in the foot
:rolleyes:
 

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What's the point of having a Transport Minister if he just sits on his hands and is virtually silent? Oh and the two at least before him as well.....
 

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With 6 months left before handing back the keys, the higher ups in Abellio have probably just had enough of the money pit of ScotRail. Especially as a lot of the issues over pay rises they have no say over due to Transport Scotland holding the purse strings.

It's gonna end in tears for the rail industry, with the bus & car industry rubbing their hands in glee
 

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Most of the public sector have not had a pay rise in years - its a bit rich in the current economic climate to go down the strike route - its just going to alienate people more.
Maybe they should have went on strike then.
 

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Maybe they should have went on strike then.
Is that your answer to everything? Striking? Many people cannot afford to strike, are morally appalled at the consequences of doing so (eg health are staff) are afraid of losing their jobs if they do and/or still have to get the work done that they didn't do when they were on strike.

Get real.
 

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With 6 months left before handing back the keys, the higher ups in Abellio have probably just had enough of the money pit of ScotRail. Especially as a lot of the issues over pay rises they have no say over due to Transport Scotland holding the purse strings.

It's gonna end in tears for the rail industry, with the bus & car industry rubbing their hands in glee
I think you've hit it on the head there..... Pity Ab can't pull out early and leave them to it.
 

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Is that your answer to everything? Striking? Many people cannot afford to strike, are morally appalled at the consequences of doing so (eg health are staff) are afraid of losing their jobs if they do and/or still have to get the work done that they didn't do when they were on strike.

Get real.

Staff who benefit from strong unions and understand what their purpose is can usually see the value in industrial action as a last resort (including medical professionals who have recently threatened strike action over pay). You no doubt think unions should tell their members to stand by as jobs are slashed, Ts and Cs are worsened etc.

Get real.

?? Really.
I thought most people realised, years ago, that strikes often achieve very little. Short term 'success' doesn't mean long term achievement.

That might be true in certain other industries; the bus and coach industry, for example, which you appear to be intimately familiar with. The aim of rail unions is to prevent the railway going the same way they’ve gone. Recent experience shows they generally do a rather good job of that.
 

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Is that your answer to everything? Striking? Many people cannot afford to strike, are morally appalled at the consequences of doing so (eg health are staff) are afraid of losing their jobs if they do and/or still have to get the work done that they didn't do when they were on strike.

Get real.
Attitudes like this are precisely why some employers ride roughshod over workers, instilling fear and intimidation by threatening people with their jobs and doing exactly as they please.
 

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Staff who benefit from strong unions and understand what their purpose is can usually see the value in industrial action as a last resort (including medical professionals who have recently threatened strike action over pay). You no doubt think unions should tell their members to stand by as jobs are slashed, Ts and Cs are worsened etc.

Get real.



That might be true in certain other industries; the bus and coach industry, for example, which you appear to be intimately familiar with. The aim of rail unions is to prevent the railway going the same way they’ve gone. Recent experience shows they generally do a rather good job of that.
You may well be (partly) correct although I'm not sure what 'recent experience' you are referring to. Most people outside the industry can probably only think of all the various RMT shenanigans over many years [crying Wolf at the slightest opportunity].
 

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And for those outside the industry, the great unwashed, maybe on zero hours contracts who have seen their jobs and careers decimated by the pandemic and who can only dream of a secure long term job, with overtime, can only look in in awe to an industry that doesn't seem to change, and doesn't realise that the world has changed and is propped up by massive public subsidy which other decimated industries can only dream about.
 

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And for those outside the industry, the great unwashed, maybe on zero hours contracts who have seen their jobs and careers decimated by the pandemic and who can only dream of a secure long term job, with overtime, can only look in in awe to an industry that doesn't seem to change, and doesn't realise that the world has changed and is propped up by massive public subsidy which other decimated industries can only dream about.
That's known as envy and jealousy. You can't organise or stand up to your employer so how dare rail staff even attempt to try it...
 

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People outside the industry are more than welcome to apply to join it.

Well I would be tempted but I don't think the gravy train (no pun intended) will roll on for much longer.

With passenger numbers falling signifiantly I think the rail industry in the UK is in for a very rude awakening. With poor service (although Scotrail has improved a bit in the past few years) and ever increasing prices people have had enough, and those that can use an alternative mode of transport seem to have moved on.

Scotrail posted on Twitter "It's been quite a journey Scotland... But through it all, our railway kept going" but only with massive public subsidy. Many many businesses weren't that lucky and went under.
 

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That's known as envy and jealousy. You can't organise or stand up to your employer so how dare rail staff even attempt to try it...

There's a middle ground to be hand here and everyone seems to take both extremes. Yes the RMT (and other rail unions) are sometimes highly resistant to change and cause disputes over the most minor & trivial matters when progress & change are inevitable and welcomed by passengers.

On the other hand, some rights should be defended and rightly so. There shouldn't be a race to the bottom, but at the same time some things are understandably being re-assessed in a difficult economic time.
 

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That's known as envy and jealousy. You can't organise or stand up to your employer so how dare rail staff even attempt to try it...
Some people would happily drag everyone else down to their level rather than make any effort to better their own terms and conditions.
 

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Well I would be tempted but I don't think the gravy train (no pun intended) will roll on for much longer.

With passenger numbers falling signifiantly I think the rail industry in the UK is in for a very rude awakening. With poor service (although Scotrail has improved a bit in the past few years) and ever increasing prices people have had enough, and those that can use an alternative mode of transport seem to have moved on.

Scotrail posted on Twitter "It's been quite a journey Scotland... But through it all, our railway kept going" but only with massive public subsidy. Many many businesses weren't that lucky and went under.

What alternative modes are there ? There’s only so much space on already overcrowded roads. Congestion / clean air charging in cities along with expensive car parking will take its toll ?
 

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Maybe they should have went on strike then.
Most of them did for a bit. But there's a need to be realistic in public sector employment. For example how would you suggest that doctors and nurses go on strike? By wilfully allowing patients to suffer and potentially die as a result of industrial action? How would teachers and other school staff go on strike? By closing a school for periods of weeks at a time and telling the children it's tough on them? The fire service going on strike means that they work unpaid - unless you're suggesting that they leave people to die in burning buildings? And of course some grades aren't permitted to strike at all, such as in the police.

That's known as envy and jealousy. You can't organise or stand up to your employer so how dare rail staff even attempt to try it...
A large proportion of public sector employees have deliberately chosen to work for the public good. How would "standing up to" their employer, who is simply not funded to pay them any more, help with that?

What alternative modes are there ? There’s only so much space on already overcrowded roads. Congestion / clean air charging in cities along with expensive car parking will take its toll ?
Most people don't use railways frequently across the UK. Since March last year this has declined even further.
 
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Most of them did for a bit. But there's a need to be realistic in public sector employment. For example how would you suggest that doctors and nurses go on strike? By wilfully allowing patients to suffer and potentially die as a result of industrial action? How would teachers and other school staff go on strike? By closing a school for periods of weeks at a time and telling the children it's tough on them? The fire service going on strike means that they work unpaid - unless you're suggesting that they leave people to die in burning buildings? And of course some grades aren't permitted to strike at all, such as in the police.


A large proportion of public sector employees have deliberately chosen to work for the public good. How would "standing up to" their employer, who is simply not funded to pay them any more, help with that?

If we're using that argument, although perhaps not as critical you could say that "How would you suggest that drivers or signallers* go on strike? By wilfully allowing passengers to be unable to reach their workplace - which may be as a doctor / nurse / police officer - and cause hours and hours of delays or cancelled appointments / meetings".

*I know signallers aren't going on strike, but it was an example
 

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Some people would happily drag everyone else down to their level rather than make any effort to better their own terms and conditions.

Industrial action may be justified if an employer is seeking to worsen terms and conditions but is that what Scotrail are attempting to do here?
 

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You may well be (partly) correct although I'm not sure what 'recent experience' you are referring to. Most people outside the industry can probably only think of all the various RMT shenanigans over many years [crying Wolf at the slightest opportunity].

The rhetoric can certainly be OTT, but the union is seen differently within the industry (where a holistic view is taken by members, and industrial disputes are only the tip of the iceberg). In particular they have seen some success, alongside ASLEF, with opposing DOO etc. I’d far rather be an RMT member than belong to the chocolate fireguard TSSA, for example.

And for those outside the industry, the great unwashed, maybe on zero hours contracts who have seen their jobs and careers decimated by the pandemic and who can only dream of a secure long term job, with overtime, can only look in in awe to an industry that doesn't seem to change, and doesn't realise that the world has changed and is propped up by massive public subsidy which other decimated industries can only dream about.

Yep, 21st century Britain is a pretty appalling place for workers in many industries. And yet many of these same downtrodden employees have been brainwashed into seeing unions as a dirty word! Rather than looking on enviously at others and wanting to see then worse off, perhaps people would do better to think about improving their own position in life.


Some people would happily drag everyone else down to their level rather than make any effort to better their own terms and conditions.

Precisely. I’m afraid it’s difficult not to conclude that simple jealousy underpins a lot of this. Especially when the same people using Covid as an excuse to attack the railway were moaning about railway pay and Ts and Cs when passenger numbers were through the roof.

There's a middle ground to be hand here and everyone seems to take both extremes. Yes the RMT (and other rail unions) are sometimes highly resistant to change and cause disputes over the most minor & trivial matters when progress & change are inevitable and welcomed by passengers.

On the other hand, some rights should be defended and rightly so. There shouldn't be a race to the bottom, but at the same time some things are understandably being re-assessed in a difficult economic time.

I think this is *exactly* the point many of us try to make on these threads. The unions are all too aware of the current economic climate, but it’s also important to prevent Covid being used as an excuse to attack hard one Ts and Cs.
 

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Well I would be tempted but I don't think the gravy train (no pun intended) will roll on for much longer.

With passenger numbers falling signifiantly I think the rail industry in the UK is in for a very rude awakening. With poor service (although Scotrail has improved a bit in the past few years) and ever increasing prices people have had enough, and those that can use an alternative mode of transport seem to have moved on.

Scotrail posted on Twitter "It's been quite a journey Scotland... But through it all, our railway kept going" but only with massive public subsidy. Many many businesses weren't that lucky and went under.
Tbf passenger numbers are at 50% which is pretty good after a year and a half of people being told not to travel.

The government wouldn't subsidise the railway so heavily if they didn't see a future in it. They are committed to lowering emissions. They're not going to do that by having a crap railway.
 

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Most of them did for a bit. But there's a need to be realistic in public sector employment. For example how would you suggest that doctors and nurses go on strike? By wilfully allowing patients to suffer and potentially die as a result of industrial action? How would teachers and other school staff go on strike? By closing a school for periods of weeks at a time and telling the children it's tough on them? The fire service going on strike means that they work unpaid - unless you're suggesting that they leave people to die in burning buildings? And of course some grades aren't permitted to strike at all, such as in the police.


A large proportion of public sector employees have deliberately chosen to work for the public good. How would "standing up to" their employer, who is simply not funded to pay them any more, help with that?


Most people don't use railways frequently across the UK. Since March last year this has declined even further.
Fire staff did strike in not so distant times. I remember the green Goddess fire trucks , operated by the army.
 

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Is there a political element to this? Labour would love to have an all out strike during COP26 to bash Scot Gov, least people forget that Scottish Labour hates the SNP a lot more than the Tories.

While such a strike might have some embarrassment to HM Govt as hosts the political desire to humiliate the Scottish Government on the works stage might to much to resist.

Can only see this escalating and getting worse in the coming months and nobody in Scotland least of all rail workers will benefit from the fallout longer term.
 
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