Haven't those only got 6 coaches? And one of those is a premier class vehicle. On the whole a 6 car 170 is probably more suitable.Why not borrow some spare Chiltern Silver sets for weekend working? Based at Stourbridge they are only an hour and a half from Derby and could do the Skegness diagrams from there? Much nicer than dmus and would attract gricers too!
Why not borrow some spare Chiltern Silver sets for weekend working? Based at Stourbridge they are only an hour and a half from Derby and could do the Skegness diagrams from there? Much nicer than dmus and would attract gricers too!
Much nicer than dmus and would attract gricers too!
Who would crew them ?
Senior Conductors would require a 1 day conversion from HST trailer vehicles.Who would crew them ?
Why not borrow some spare Chiltern Silver sets for weekend working? Based at Stourbridge they are only an hour and a half from Derby and could do the Skegness diagrams from there? Much nicer than dmus and would attract gricers too!
Senior Conductors would require a 1 day conversion from HST trailer vehicles.
The trains that the HSTs worked were basically full with people with big suitcases, which is why they were ideal for those services: luggage space in power car vans, TGS vans and mid-coach luggage stacks as well as those at the vehicle ends. All-in-all, an excellent solution for passengers and operator.In Scotland 153s have been turned in to bike and hiker van and seat cars, so could a 153 with seats removed for bags be cheaply converted and used? Any on boarding at Nottingham with big suitcases gets the 153 to sit in.
Are you suggesting that Skegness is a last resort?The trains that the HSTs worked were basically full with people with big suitcases, which is why they were ideal for those services: luggage space in power car vans, TGS vans and mid-coach luggage stacks as well as those at the vehicle ends. All-in-all, an excellent solution for passengers and operator.
Quite why people want to spend a week in Skegness is still utterly unfathomable, though.... It's still the coastal town they forgot to close down!
The trains that the HSTs worked were basically full with people with big suitcases, which is why they were ideal for those services: luggage space in power car vans, TGS vans and mid-coach luggage stacks as well as those at the vehicle ends. All-in-all, an excellent solution for passengers and operator.
Quite why people want to spend a week in Skegness is still utterly unfathomable, though.... It's still the coastal town they forgot to close down!
I refer you to my previous post!There is a Butlins there
You've clearly never been to Clacton!Quite why people want to spend a week in Skegness is still utterly unfathomable, though.... It's still the coastal town they forgot to close down!
If you want to do something crazy, hire in a nice Blue and Grey Mark 2 Air Con set from Rivera Trains plus two of Harry Needle's Class 20s and recreate the days of the real Jolly Fisherman
Anything that doesn't include Class 153s has to be an improvementNot going to happen. The antics of a few last year sadly have reduced the chance of anything interesting occurring to zero. It'll be some form of release of 15x and 170 somehow.
The idea is to transport the great unwashed of Langley Mill to their holidays, not operate a magnet for imbeciles.If you want to do something crazy, hire in a nice Blue and Grey Mark 2 Air Con set from Rivera Trains plus two of Harry Needle's Class 20s and recreate the days of the real Jolly Fisherman
Rather sarcastic responseThe idea is to transport the great unwashed of Langley Mill to their holidays, not operate a magnet for imbeciles.
It got the reply it deserved.Rather sarcastic response
Are EMR still receiving 170s displaced from other TOCs?
If you want to do something crazy, hire in a nice Blue and Grey Mark 2 Air Con set from Rivera Trains plus two of Harry Needle's Class 20s and recreate the days of the real Jolly Fisherman
This does not sound like a recipe for success....Definitely no meridians or HSTs planned this year.. From EMR..
Thanks for your email of 06 April 2021 regarding our summer services to Skegness.
I have liaised with our timetable and resource planning team, and can confirm that our Weekday services we will mainly operate 3 or 4 car trains. We plan to operate 3 car services on Sundays with selected services operating as 2 cars.
The Saturday service will consist of 7 trains operating as 4 cars, with the remainder running as 3 cars.
I do hope this helps. If you do require any additional information, please do let me know
This does not sound like a recipe for success....
4 car 156 approx 275 seatsCan’t imagine there being much difference in seating capacity between a 4 car 156 and an HST.
Bear in mind of the 6 coaches of an EMR HST, over half of one vehicle is buffet space and the remaining section of that vehicle along with one other coach is low density first class.
Seating capacity I can’t see being much difference but there is obviously a loss of luggage capacity.
Yes, tho of course last time the service was HST they were 8 cars as mentioned. The one I was on was pretty full too.Can’t imagine there being much difference in seating capacity between a 4 car 156 and an HST.
Bear in mind of the 6 coaches of an EMR HST, over half of one vehicle is buffet space and the remaining section of that vehicle along with one other coach is low density first class.
Seating capacity I can’t see being much difference but there is obviously a loss of luggage capacity.
Especially when you factor in what is planned on paper and what happens in reality due to disruption, maintenance, etc.This does not sound like a recipe for success....
Unfortunately the issues with the drop lights required a steward by every door on the Skegness train in recent times, an issue that doesn't exist on any other HST service EMR operate. A Meridian doesn't help because the bigger issue is luggage capacity, which means the only option was for EMR to use the regional trains, since a Meridian doesn't actually provide much in terms of extra seats versus a 15x/170 or keep a HST for it, if they could get permission from the DfT and once you factor in the cost of keeping the train in service just for Skegness and all the extra staffing required to stop fools hanging out the windows then it doesn't make economic sense.This does not sound like a recipe for success....