Carmont (near Stonehaven) derailment - 12 August 2020

[JamesC357]

Those pictures of the carriages piled up gave me a chill...

What a horrible thing to happen, I join everyone else in sending my thoughts to all those involved in this accident, and their loved ones

 

[pdeaves]

Ah, okay. It had been suggested that it was running wrong road.

Well, it was returning from whence it came. Only needs to be 'wrong road' as far as the first crossover.

 

[ABB125]

Leading item on BBC news

 

[Speed43125]

What object are those coaches resting on? Either way, it looks very bad. My thoughts are with those involved.

The colour looks remarkably similar to the gray that the Scotrail HST sets are painted, but surely that could not be another Mk3.

 

[paok]

This video was posted from Network Rail Scotland around the time of the incident:

At Carmont, we’ve had reports of a landslip, which means services can’t operate between Dundee & Aberdeen. /2

https://twitter.com/NetworkRailSCOT/status/1293469586193612805

 

[jonnyfan]

Absolutely shocking images...I can only imagine the horrific events that occurred to result in such a devastating result. My thoughts are with those involved onboard the train and the heroics of the emergency services having to deal with such awful circumstances

 

[snookertam]

This video was posted from Network Rail Scotland around the time of the incident:



https://twitter.com/NetworkRailSCOT/status/1293469586193612805

This is seemingly the reason why the train turned back.

 

[najaB]

Well, it was returning from whence it came. Only needs to be 'wrong road' as far as the first crossover.

Indeed. I just wasn't sure if it had made it as far as the crossover at Carmont or if the blockage stopped it reaching that far.

 

[507 001]

The colour looks remarkably similar to the gray that the Scotrail HST sets are painted, but surely that could not be another Mk3.

It looks like the body of a Mk3 from window level down to solebar...

 

[RailWonderer]

Realtime Trains - 1T06 0638 Aberdeen to Glasgow Queen Street

Realtime Trains provides live realtime running information for the Great British railway network using open data.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

This is the Realtimetrains log. Wish everyone the best and what an awful tragedy.

 

[Dren Ahmeti]

It looks like the body of a Mk3 from window level down to solebar...

You can very clearly see the "7 cities" livery on the MkIII coaches.
That photo corresponds with others I've seen at the scene.

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

Nigel Harris has just done a terrible interview on R5 Live.
The line wasn't good, and all he did was compound the confusion using rail-speak.
He mentioned one fatality but that was immediately challenged by the interviewer as unconfirmed.

Edit:
Tony Miles has now followed up with an interview on R4, a much more coherent story without casualty speculation.

 

[Requeststop]

Thoughts very much at this time with all and especially with the one up front: The driver. We forget, that at times like this, it's the driver who faces the most immediate dangers.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Those pictures of the carriages piled up gave me a chill...

What a horrible thing to happen, I join everyone else in sending my thoughts to all those involved in this accident, and their loved ones

Agreed. If I believed in such things, I'd be wondering if the forum had tempted fate with the recent thread about being "overdue" an accident. In reality it just goes to show that you never know what nature will throw at us.

Thoughts and sympathy with all involved in the incident and the ongoing rescue/recovery operation.

 

[kje7812]

Is the coach on the left upside down?

Thoughts with everyone involved.

 

[Parallel]

Thoughts with the passengers, crew and the families and friends of those involved in this serious incident.

 

[Darandio]

Is the coach on the left upside down?

Thoughts with everyone involved.

Unfortunately yes.

 

[GrandCentral]

From the looks of those photos the MK3 coaches appear to have remained mostly intact and not crumpled or split. That's a very very very small positive. Absolutely terrible situation though, truly awful.

 

[class387]

Looks really terrible - thoughts are with everyone involved

 

[najaB]

Is the coach on the left upside down?

It certainly looks that way.

 

[brad465]

Article on BBC News site is now the top article (originally was recession news)

 

[Speed43125]

From the looks of those photos the MK3 coaches appear to have remained mostly intact and not crumpled or split. That's a very very very small positive. Absolutely terrible situation though, truly awful.

I'm afraid the image seems to show an upside down and rightside up coach both seemingly resting on a completely demolished coach with everything from the windows and up gone. you can see it says the carriage number in the middle.

 

[DimTim]

One has to question what speed the train was travelling for the coaches to arrive in those positions.

 

[Pete_uk]

Terrible news. This will be more negativity for the railway. Thankfully it was a HST with few passengers on.

 

[najaB]

One has to question what speed the train was travelling for the coaches to arrive in those positions.

I was wondering the same. Apparently the train was travelling right line so 75mph would have been permitted.

 

[Bletchleyite]

One has to question what speed the train was travelling for the coaches to arrive in those positions.

Something as heavy as a train carries a lot of kinetic energy. If whatever stopped it stopped it immediately, that would happen even at very low speeds.

 

[102 fan]

One has to question what speed the train was travelling for the coaches to arrive in those positions.

I was wondering that. Surely if going back because of a line closed, it would be at reduced speed. Also, the picture shows the coaches on a line, are they not saying it fell down an embankment?

 

[AC47461]

One has to question what speed the train was travelling for the coaches to arrive in those positions.

More likely what on earth did it hit. I doubt it was speeding, or even going line speed considering the reason why it was going back.

 

[Dren Ahmeti]

One has to question what speed the train was travelling for the coaches to arrive in those positions.

Not very fast at all. The driver would've been accelerating from the 15mph crossover, to the line speed of 75mph.
In just under a mile, I doubt even the 2+4 would have enough acceleration to be going at a very fast speed at the point.

 

[Rob_76]

Terrible news. This will be more negativity for the railway. Thankfully it was a HST with few passengers on.

If it was a landslip due to the extraordinary rainfall in that area last night, I think a lot of people would accept that was a totally unforeseen circumstance.