Carmont (near Stonehaven) derailment - 12 August 2020

[A Challenge]

More likely what on earth did it hit. I doubt it was speeding, or even going line speed considering the reason why it was going back.

Why shouldn't a train run at line speed on a seemingly unblocked line running right line?

 

[Bletchleyite]

I was wondering that. Surely if going back because of a line closed, it would be at reduced speed. Also, the picture shows the coaches on a line, are they not saying it fell down an embankment?

I think that was misreported based on the power car being down the embankment. A "carriage" was also reported as being on fire, but that seems to have been a power car.

 

[trebor79]

What object are those coaches resting on? Either way, it looks very bad. My thoughts are with those involved.

It appears to be the remains of a Mk3 coach.

 

[Bletchleyite]

If it was a landslip due to the extraordinary rainfall in that area last night, I think a lot of people would accept that was a totally unforeseen circumstance.

In essence it's near enough the same as that incident that befell a LNR 350, but with the worst outcome rather than the best one. Again completely unanticipated - the land in that case slipped very close to the time the train hit it.

 

[spark001uk]

BBC news at one saying 3 of the 4 passenger coaches left the track and went down an embankment. Which is absolutely not what photos are showing, so they got that wrong.

 

[507 001]

I was wondering that. Surely if going back because of a line closed, it would be at reduced speed. Also, the picture shows the coaches on a line, are they not saying it fell down an embankment?

The power car appears to be very much down an embankment...

 

[Darandio]

I think that was misreported based on the power car being down the embankment. A "carriage" was also reported as being on fire, but that seems to have been a power car.

One outlet is now reporting one coach being submerged with occupants unaccounted for. It's hard to get a grasp on anything at the moment.

 

[Rob_76]

Sky News just reporting PA comment:

12 people were on train. 6 passengers and 6 staff.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

The BBC reporting the train consisted of "one locomotive and four carriages".

 

[Wolfie]

Daily Mirror take, sounds sensationalist...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-train-derails-after-falling-22508782

At least one person is feared dead and others suffered "serious injuries" after a horror train derailment in Scotland.#
A huge emergency services operation was launched after the train plummeted down an embankment, with thick smoke seen billowing from the crash site.

More than 30 emergency vehicles and an air ambulance are at the scene in Stonehaven, Aberdeenshire, after the smash, which happened shortly before 9.45am.

 

[BenW390Fan]

The BBC reporting the train consisted of "one locomotive and four carriages".

One locomotive, four coaches, another locomotive. Top and tailed is what they call it, but people still call 43's multiple units..! Going off topic, as I said thoughts are with the people involved, seeing those images are horrible

 

[palmersears]

Daily Mirror take, sounds sensationalist...

Three dead after derailed train 'falls down embankment' in Stonehaven tragedy

Emergency crews launched a huge rescue operation at Stonehaven, Aberdeenshire, after the train derailed this morning in a crash that is believed to have killed the driver

www.mirror.co.uk

A tabloid newspaper's website being sensationalist? Never saw that coming...

 

[Jovian98]

The Scotsman now say that the driver has died:

https://www.scotsman.com/news/trans...otrail-train-derailment-aberdeenshire-2939946

Industry sources told The Scotsman the driver had died and there were fears of a second fatality.
The incident happened after the Inter7City train from Aberdeen had turned back after encountering a landslide, and then reportedly hit another one.

edit: note - the article has since been revised to remove reference to the driver:

Industry sources confirmed the death to The Scotsman and said there were fears of a second fatality.

 

[matchmaker]

How come coastguard vehicles are being used?

All the UK SAR helicopters are operated by HM Coastguard.

 

[Mitchell Hurd]

I was in total shock when I saw this derailment reported - I found out when Boris tweeted he was deeply saddened by the serious incident in Aberdeenshire. When I learnt what it was I was in total shock - still am!

My thoughts go out to Scotrail, the staff, driver, passengers and the families and friends affected.

 

[ABB125]

It appears to be the remains of a Mk3 coach.

Not good at all...

 

[XCTurbostar]

Quick Summary on the formation:
Set HA22 Delivered to ScotRail in May 2019
(North End) 43140 came to rest at bottom of Embankment
Mk3 coaches: 40622 + 42007 + 42564 + 42145
43030 (South End)

 

[p.d87]

What horrible and sad news. As railway staff myself this brings me deep sadness. Thoughts and prayers go to all staff, passengers and their families at this time and also to the rescue teams for their efforts. Those pictures are horrifiying and i can't begin to imagine how everyone on board must have felt at the time. Very sad day for our railway family.

 

[class26]

The BBC reporting the train consisted of "one locomotive and four carriages".

This was corrected by Tony Miles in his recent interview on R4 to 2 power cars and 4 carriages

 

[Wolfie]

The Scotsman now say that the driver has died:

https://www.scotsman.com/news/trans...otrail-train-derailment-aberdeenshire-2939946

RIP.

 

[spark001uk]

Quick Summary on the formation:
Set HA22 Delivered to ScotRail in May 2019
(North End) 43140
Mk3 coaches: 40622 + 42007 + 42564 + 42145
43030 (South End) came to rest at bottom of Embankment

Does this set have manual or power doors?

 

[najaB]

43030 (South End) came to rest at bottom of Embankment

How does this tie in to the (unconfirmed) reports that the driver has died?

 

[XCTurbostar]

What horrible and sad news. As railway staff myself this brings me deep sadness. Thoughts and prayers go to all staff, passengers and their families at this time and also to the rescue teams for their efforts. Those pictures are horrifiying and i can't begin to imagine how everyone on board must have felt at the time. Very sad day for our railway family.

As railway staff as well, I completely agree with you. The moment I saw those mk3 coaches, my heart sank.

 

[najaB]

Does this set have manual or power doors?

From the pictures, it is a modified set with power doors.

 

[XCTurbostar]

How does this tie in to the (unconfirmed) reports that the driver has died?

Apologies I meant 43140

 

[ainsworth74]

Dear All,

A quick request to think before you post considering that this is an active incident, there are casualties and that this thread has caught the media eye. I don't want to restrict what you post unless necessary but please do think about what your posting, who may read it and what that may mean to those who read outside of this Forum.

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Many thanks,
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[8J]

Quick Summary on the formation:
Set HA22 Delivered to ScotRail in May 2019
(North End) 43140
Mk3 coaches: 40622 + 42007 + 42564 + 42145
43030 (South End) came to rest at bottom of Embankment

The photograph posted on here quoted from Twitter clearly shows 43030 on the road. The set was heading back North. 43140 is the one that has come off the road.

 

[irish_rail]

Thoughts to all, especially the driver. RIP

 

[tetudo boy]

My condolences with anyone involved in this terrible accident.

 

[YorkshireBear]

I never expected when I joined the industry just how much these incidents would affect me and colleagues. Its a big industry so you assume you are always buffered but it's not the case.

An incredibly sad day.