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I thought SWR have had a few 444s where new seat covers have been fitted?

I've never heard of any different seating being fitted. There is nothing wrong with the grammer seating so why get rid of it? :(
The current discussion seems to be about 158/159, the Desiros are all done internally, bar the displays...
 

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Are they fitting new seats to the 159s in standard?! I don’t think they are - it’s supposed to be new blue fabric (leather topped) covers on the original RTB seating in Standard (as has already been done on many of the 159s now) and new seats in First, hence why they’ve reupholstered the standard seats and left the first ones in SWT moquette.
 

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Are they still not bothering repaint the stagecoach orange grab rails? They look very out of place with the rest of the branding, and should really be redone in a more normal yellow IMO
 

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Are they still not bothering repaint the stagecoach orange grab rails? They look very out of place with the rest of the branding, and should really be redone in a more normal yellow IMO
Or blue as per the original renders.

And before any anyone says that's not allowed Greater Anglia use white handrails against a white background.
 

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Or blue as per the original renders.

And before any anyone says that's not allowed Greater Anglia use white handrails against a white background.

Yep, either saving on cost or laziness like the GWR green carpet still remaining in the HEX 387s
 

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One thing that I'm sure is overdue is the fitment of new PIS screens to the Desiros.
Yeah, unfortunately that's not going to happen. They say they've upgraded the existing dot matrix to the requirements in the franchise agreement.
Bit of an opt-out if you ask me!

Or blue as per the original renders.

And before any anyone says that's not allowed Greater Anglia use white handrails against a white background.
Yes, that all came down to costs unfortunately. They look into it and found it would be far too time consuming to change the colour of the poles. Plus, they're quite hard to access.
It also wasn't possible to do them in situ either.
It's nothing to do with compliance of colour as that can be done quite easily.
 
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Yeah, unfortunately that's not going to happen. They say they've upgraded the existing dot matrix to the requirements in the franchise agreement.
Bit of an opt-out if you ask me!


Yes, that all came down to costs unfortunately. They look into it and found it would be far too time consuming to change the colour of the poles. Plus, they're quite hard to access.
It also wasn't possible to do them in situ either.
It's nothing to do with compliance of colour as that can be done quite easily.
Thats a real shame. They can afford a new fleet but cant afford to properly invest in their existing fleet.
 

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Yeah, unfortunately that's not going to happen. They say they've upgraded the existing dot matrix to the requirements in the franchise agreement.
Bit of an opt-out if you ask me!


Yes, that all came down to costs unfortunately. They look into it and found it would be far too time consuming to change the colour of the poles. Plus, they're quite hard to access.
It also wasn't possible to do them in situ either.
It's nothing to do with compliance of colour as that can be done quite easily.
Thanks. At last a proper explanation!

It must have been an extremely tightly costed refurbishment if these things couldn't be addressed, as they routinely have been by other TOCs.

I have to say I'm struggling to work out what has been upgraded with the PIS. Wasn't it supposed to have real-time information? The current displays certainly don't have that.
 

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I have to say I'm struggling to work out what has been upgraded with the PIS. Wasn't it supposed to have real-time information? The current displays certainly don't have that.
Yeah I'm a bit confused on that front. I can't see what has been upgraded? I think SWR are basically trying to cover themselves for something that wasn't logistically possible.
There is a possibility in that SWR recently put a job advert out for a Security & Information Systems Manager (PIS).
But I wouldn't hold your breath, as going on the word of the engineering director all that's left for the Desiros is the new livery (painting programme).
 

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Yeah I'm a bit confused on that front. I can't see what has been upgraded? I think SWR are basically trying to cover themselves for something that wasn't logistically possible.
There is a possibility in that SWR recently put a job advert out for a Security & Information Systems Manager (PIS).
But I wouldn't hold your breath, as going on the word of the engineering director all that's left for the Desiros is the new livery (painting programme).
I assumed it would be large screens on end walls etc as fitted on the 350s and many other units.
 

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I assumed it would be large screens on end walls etc as fitted on the 350s and many other units.
That's exactly what we all thought, sadly. Would have made a big difference!

Desiro repaint update:

444 031 due in 23-02-21 this will replace 444 027.
 
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Thanks. At last a proper explanation!

It must have been an extremely tightly costed refurbishment if these things couldn't be addressed, as they routinely have been by other TOCs.

I have to say I'm struggling to work out what has been upgraded with the PIS. Wasn't it supposed to have real-time information? The current displays certainly don't have that.
The refurb does seem to have been scaled down from what was originally being planned. The orange grab handles do look very out of place and nothing was ever done to the toilets, originally I believe they were meant to get refurbished. I'm sure there was meant to be more interior painting done too. There have been no changes to the PIS as far as I can tell.
 

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The refurb does seem to have been scaled down from what was originally being planned. The orange grab handles do look very out of place and nothing was ever done to the toilets, originally I believe they were meant to get refurbished. I'm sure there was meant to be more interior painting done too. There have been no changes to the PIS as far as I can tell.
Yes, the renders showed all the pale blue panelling painted off white.

All the toilets had done I think were diagonal stripey vinyls on the walls. Stopping the water from the sink spraying everywhere would have been a cheap and effective thing to do!

I do actually like the refurbishment, it looks quite classy. However, it is spoiled by the colour clash with the handrails.
 

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Updated - 23/02/21

SWR Desiro Repaints:

444s

002, 003, 006, 007, 011, 012, 014, 015, 016, 017, 018, 019, 021, 023, 024, 027, 029, 030, 031*, 032, 037, 038 and 042 (22 units)(49% complete)

450s

006, 018, 020, 021, 027*, 026, 036, 039, 043, 048, 056, 101, 107, 113, 119 and 127 (15 units)(12% complete)

Feel free to let me know of any more repainted Desiros


Note: (* = Currently being done)

444040 and 450111 have had vinyl wrap (not been painted)
 

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450027 off repaint and seen on rear of 1B90 0556 Bournemouth to Waterloo this morning.
Thanks for the heads up! 450025 is scheduled in works today to replace 450027.

Updated - 02/03/21

SWR Desiro Repaints:

444s

002, 003, 006, 007, 011, 012, 014, 015, 016, 017, 018, 019, 021, 023, 024, 027, 029, 030, 031*, 032, 037, 038 and 042 (22 units)(49% complete)

450s

006, 018, 020, 021, 025*, 027, 026, 036, 039, 043, 048, 056, 101, 107, 113, 119 and 127 (16 units)(13% complete)

Feel free to let me know of any more repainted Desiros


Note: (* = Currently being done)

444040 and 450111 have had vinyl wrap (not been painted)

**Unfortunately do not have the ability to edit the list when required. This means it may not show correct information.

Please see latest post, for more up-to-date information on desiro repaints. Thanks
 
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The next presidential election will be here before the repaints are done!
Even Northern can complete there refurbs and repaints before SWR. Around 400 units versus 172 desiros and not even the 159 refurb and repaints completed yet. What's going on?
 

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The next presidential election will be here before the repaints are done!
Even Northern can complete there refurbs and repaints before SWR. Around 400 units versus 172 desiros and not even the 159 refurb and repaints completed yet. What's going on?
I really can't believe how slow it is. The excuse appears to be social distancing, yet other companies seem to have adapted without impacting significantly on output.
 

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The next presidential election will be here before the repaints are done!
Even Northern can complete there refurbs and repaints before SWR. Around 400 units versus 172 desiros and not even the 159 refurb and repaints completed yet. What's going on?
159 repaints have been completed - it’s just the C6 programme started before the franchise change.
 

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I really can't believe how slow it is. The excuse appears to be social distancing, yet other companies seem to have adapted without impacting significantly on output.
Avanti for example, but they might be a specialist case... idk
 

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23 units have been repainted over the past year. If that rate remains then it'll take nearly six years to complete the fleet of Desiros. That'll be well in to the management contract after the management contract due to start shortly.
 

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23 units have been repainted over the past year. If that rate remains then it'll take nearly six years to complete the fleet of Desiros. That'll be well in to the management contract after the management contract due to start shortly.
It's because SWR are doing the Desiro repaints 'in-house' themselves which means only Bournemouth is available .
TOC's will often use contractors such as Northern using Arriva train care. As Arriva operate across multiple sites (Crew, Eastleigh, Bristol etc.) 5 units can be taken off having their internal and externals done at the same time dramatically reducing time taken.
I hope that makes sense! :)
 

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It's because SWR are doing the Desiro repaints 'in-house' themselves which means only Bournemouth is available .
TOC's will often use contractors such as Northern using Arriva train care. As Arriva operate across multiple sites (Crew, Eastleigh, Bristol etc.) 5 units can be taken off having their internal and externals done at the same time dramatically reducing time taken.
I hope that makes sense! :)
That’s all very well and good but it’s still appalling progress
 

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444005 was due in works today for repaint. 444031 should therefore be released tomorrow.
 

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444005 ends Waterloo tonight at 2331 and should form 1W53 0630 Wloo : Bmouth tomorrow which ends up in Bmth Depot.
 

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