johncrossley
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The prevailing forum view is that one unified ticketing system for an area is undesirable, if you look at previous threads discussing single company tickets.
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The rapid decline of Bournemouth’s Yellow Buses network
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The prevailing forum view is that one unified ticketing system for an area is undesirable, if you look at previous threads discussing single company tickets.
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However, with the current and increasing general lack of profitability in running buses, the idea of two or more operators genuinely competing in an area must seem increasingly unlikely?
johncrossley
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Doesn't matter. The forum has argued vociferously against removing single company tickets in areas with more than one operator. Even in Oxford where there has long been a partnership between the two main companies.
Sorry, but that is a misrepresentation. What was expressed in the Oxford thread was a preference for both single and multi-operator tickets being available. The arguement wasn't against unified ticketing systems - I don't recall that ever being said. What forum members argued was that the introduction of a multi-operator ticket shouldn't mean that the option of a single operator ticket is automatically removed.
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Well said!
Despite the topic airing across many threads, some members have totally failed to grasp/understand that point.
johncrossley
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The poster above was complaining about the reintroduction of separate tickets for Xelagroup. Of course there will be joint tickets, but at a premium, and probably a reduced range and possibly using fewer formats. I'm happy to be corrected but I'm sure there was a preference for just one range of tickets to be needed.
I perfectly understand the point. I disagree with it.
TheGrandWazoo
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Sorry but that ISN'T what you said. You said...
That is patently untrue.
What has said, apparently vociferously, is that whilst multi operator tickets are preferred, there would seem to be sensible for single operator tickets to be available. Especially so if they attract a lower cost which, as their geographic scope may well be less, would make sense.
As it is, I would hope that Xelabus will be integrated into the Getting About scheme given the limited presence on tendered routes, and as they are involved in Solent Go.
Oh please that's not what was said.
johncrossley
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It is consistently argued that single company tickets must be preserved, and people on here (except for a few) think it is acceptable because people wanting more than one company can get the joint ticket. Of course, offering different fares by different geographical areas is normal, sensible and done throughout the world. But in Oxford and several other places you have multiple ticket ranges covering the same (or very similar) geographical area.
Someone currently enjoying full network access across Bournemouth and Poole will have to pay more for the same thing if some routes change operator to Xelabus. That's what @Western Sunset was concerned about.
Anyone wishing to discuss single- versus multi-operator tickets should do so elsewhere, either in an existing thread (please use the search function) or start a new thread. It's off-topic here.
The award of the services to Xelabus does seem very quick given as far as i am aware the accelerated procedure for contracts is 15 days; presumably if it was obvious to the Council all parties who would meet the terms of the contract had applied then they were on safe ground to award it.There was a case in North Yorkshire where the council awarded contracts for services around Skipton to Blazefield Holdings (Harrogate & District, Keighley & District etc) who then purchased the requisite vehicles to operate their new Craven & District operation only for existing and other interested operators to successfully challenge the award of the contracts on the basis the requisite timescale had not been met. The outcome was the contracts were reissued not to Blazefield to whom North Yorkshire had to pay compensation.
Spot on about the ADLs.
Wickham and his management team should be condemned to ride all day every day on a full and standing M1,particularly towards the back, where there seems to be no working suspension.
Hopefully they will be sent to Poole for the side routes, with the M1/2 being deckered or at least re Volvoed .
No problem with the ADLs being used in evenings but they are not up to full loads, particularly given the state of the roads.
Let's not forget that they also have the completely stupid glass sunroofs fitted to them. More spin over substance.
Is it possible the contract was sent out for tenders before Yellow Buses filed for administration?
But that would just be a return to the ticketing system that was available before, though Xelabus clearly run a lot fewer routes than Yellow Buses did.
Once again I would like to remind everyone to remain on-topic. Discussion of former Yellow Buses routes, vehicles and any thoughts about the demise of the company are fine here.
If you wish to discuss morebus in general (ie, routes not connected with Yellow Buses), then there is a thread for Go South Coast here:
There is no existing thread for Xelabus as far as I can see, therefore anyone who wishes to discuss that operation should start a separate thread.
If you wish to discuss morebus in general (ie, routes not connected with Yellow Buses), then there is a thread for Go South Coast here:
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There is no existing thread for Xelabus as far as I can see, therefore anyone who wishes to discuss that operation should start a separate thread.
Yes. Anyone who has travelled on them on a hot day will never forget the experience.
As you say, all spin over substance.
It's not like they got rid of the Volvos, just used them on side routes to which the ADLs are far more suited. They are still guzzling the same amount of fuel more or less.
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