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david1212

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ToD is on its way out. No-one's going to be spending money changing stuff. ....

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Think TOD being phased out is at least a generation away yet unless the likes of Southeastern and TFL are forced to accept Etickets and paper roll tickets etc, and judging by my own and other people's communications with SE over the matter suggests it won't be anytime soon as they were adamant they have absolutely no intention of embracing them.

Definitely on the way out. TfL may be a problem in the short term but I think the advent of GBR will provide the unified approach the industry has been lacking for the past 25 years.

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The remaining TOCs that don't already will accept eTickets / barcode tickets shortly. Solutions for getting across London are being discussed. ToD will be gone in less than 5 years.

How can ToD ever be phased out ? It may now only be used for 15% of advance purchases and fall further with even more use of smartcards and bank cards but that is irrelevant. Likewise the TVM ticket format e.g. bog roll not magnetic strip card.

TVM's will always be required unless within all penalty fare areas manned booking offices open from the first to last departures return. Even outside a penalty fare area the provision to purchase during the journey would have to be guaranteed where the route enters a penalty fare area then even if not present to avoid free travel. So why remove the ToD option ?

Online purchasing can not be dependant on access to a printer. I wonder now how many homes have a PC but no printer then there are purchases away from home e.g. while at hotel.

As discussed numerous times the possession of a smartphone and the ability to use it can never become a condition of travel. Not least it would be discriminatory to the disabled. With ToD tickets can be bought for them and collected on their behalf either just before departure or in advance.

If there is an issue with ToD collection from the station TVM so long as the collection code is written down onboard collection without any card ought to be the backstop.
 
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How can ToD ever be phased out ? It may now only be used for 15% of advance purchases and fall further with even more use of smartcards and bank cards but that is irrelevant. Likewise the TVM ticket format e.g. bog roll not magnetic strip card.

TVM's will always be required unless within all penalty fare areas manned booking offices open from the first to last departures return. Even outside a penalty fare area the provision to purchase during the journey would have to be guaranteed where the route enters a penalty fare area then even if not present to avoid free travel. So why remove the ToD option ?

Online purchasing can not be dependant on access to a printer. I wonder now how many homes have a PC but no printer then there are purchases away from home e.g. while at hotel.

As discussed numerous times the possession of a smartphone and the ability to use it can never become a condition of travel. Not least it would be discriminatory to the disabled. With ToD tickets can be bought for them and collected on their behalf either just before departure or in advance.

If there is an issue with ToD collection from the station TVM so long as the collection code is written down onboard collection without any card ought to be the backstop.
People who want to purchase online will have the choice of eTicket or smartcard.

People who want to purchase at a station / onboard will get a paper roll ticket.

Lots of people travelling will tap in / out with contactless or smart cards as PAYG expands.

No need for ToD.
 

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As discussed numerous times the possession of a smartphone and the ability to use it can never become a condition of travel. Not least it would be discriminatory to the disabled. With ToD tickets can be bought for them and collected on their behalf either just before departure or in advance.
If a disabled person (or anyone else) has tickets purchased for them and/or collected for them with TOD, then the same applies for e-tickets. Someone can get them an e-ticket, indeed it's easier as they don't need to leave the house.
Failing that, there's smartcards. Buy them a ticket and download to a smartcard. Why stay in the past when technology has moved on?
 

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TOD - what is it?
Ticket on Departure - allows tickets purchased in advance to be collected from a ticket vending machine (TVM) up to the point of departure using a reference number and payment card (usually needs to be the card used to pay for the tickets, unless the order has been set up to allow collection with any card)
 

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Ticket on Departure - allows tickets purchased in advance to be collected from a ticket vending machine (TVM) up to the point of departure using a reference number and payment card (usually needs to be the card used to pay for the tickets, unless the order has been set up to allow collection with any card)
Surely if we're talking about onboard ToD it should be renamed TaD, Tickets after departure
 

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People who want to purchase online will have the choice of eTicket or smartcard.

People who want to purchase at a station / onboard will get a paper roll ticket.

Lots of people travelling will tap in / out with contactless or smart cards as PAYG expands.

No need for ToD.

If a disabled person (or anyone else) has tickets purchased for them and/or collected for them with TOD, then the same applies for e-tickets. Someone can get them an e-ticket, indeed it's easier as they don't need to leave the house.
Failing that, there's smartcards. Buy them a ticket and download to a smartcard. Why stay in the past when technology has moved on?

An e-ticket presumes either
- the passenger, as against the purchaser, has and can use an electronic device.
or
- the availability of a printer.

A smartcard presumes a suitable one is already possessed. Until / if ever there is a single universal UK travel smartcard for the occasional traveller that may not be the case.

ToD allows ticket purchase in advance so convenience and where available advance fare tickets and the option of a reservation with no pre-requisite other than access to the TVM.

Given the TVM is required why remove ToD even if demand is low ? The cost of implementation ought to be minimal.
 

alistairlees

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An e-ticket presumes either
- the passenger, as against the purchaser, has and can use an electronic device.
or
- the availability of a printer.

A smartcard presumes a suitable one is already possessed. Until / if ever there is a single universal UK travel smartcard for the occasional traveller that may not be the case.

ToD allows ticket purchase in advance so convenience and where available advance fare tickets and the option of a reservation with no pre-requisite other than access to the TVM.

Given the TVM is required why remove ToD even if demand is low ? The cost of implementation ought to be minimal.
ToD is more expensive and less reliable. Look at all those out of action Northern TVMs. Listen to all the "I haven't got the card I paid with" stuff.
 

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An e-ticket presumes either
- the passenger, as against the purchaser, has and can use an electronic device.
or
- the availability of a printer.

A smartcard presumes a suitable one is already possessed. Until / if ever there is a single universal UK travel smartcard for the occasional traveller that may not be the case.

ToD allows ticket purchase in advance so convenience and where available advance fare tickets and the option of a reservation with no pre-requisite other than access to the TVM.

Given the TVM is required why remove ToD even if demand is low ? The cost of implementation ought to be minimal.
Conventional TVMs will be on the way out too.
 

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Ticket on Departure - allows tickets purchased in advance to be collected from a ticket vending machine (TVM) up to the point of departure using a reference number and payment card (usually needs to be the card used to pay for the tickets, unless the order has been set up to allow collection with any card)
Tickets can usually be picked up for some time after departure. The usefulness of this varies.
 

infobleep

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People who want to purchase online will have the choice of eTicket or smartcard.

People who want to purchase at a station / onboard will get a paper roll ticket.

Lots of people travelling will tap in / out with contactless or smart cards as PAYG expands.

No need for ToD.
Will I'm sure but the question is when? Whilst I can get etickets for some of my journeys, I often end up just getting a orange card from a TVM as an eticket option doesn't exist.
 
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