TPE Mark 5A coaching stock progress

[Will Potter]

Does anyone know the regular diagrams going forward for these?

 

[PennineSuperb]

Does anyone know the regular diagrams going forward for these?

It is the following:
Monday - Saturdays
1F84 0555 MCV - LIV (0632)
1E25 0656 LIV - SCA (0940)
1F25 1041 SCA - LIV (1332)
1E39 1356 LIV - SCA (1640)
1F76 1744 SCA - LIV (2033)
1J53 2056 LIV - SYB (2153)

Sundays
1E29 0856 LIV - SCA (1140)
1F66 1241 SCA - LIV (1532)
1E43 1552 LIV - SCA (1839)
1F80 1944 SCA - LIV (2232)

Running from 24/08 - 29/08 and then in line with train crew training.

 

[Will Potter]

It is the following:
Monday - Saturdays
1F84 0555 MCV - LIV (0632)
1E25 0656 LIV - SCA (0940)
1F25 1041 SCA - LIV (1332)
1E39 1356 LIV - SCA (1640)
1F76 1744 SCA - LIV (2033)
1J53 2056 LIV - SYB (2153)

Sundays
1E29 0856 LIV - SCA (1140)
1F66 1241 SCA - LIV (1532)
1E43 1552 LIV - SCA (1839)
1F80 1944 SCA - LIV (2232)

Running from 24/08 - 29/08 and then in line with train crew training.

Thanks!!

 

[BeHereNow]

Well done to those who’ve worked on getting these into passenger service.

 

[mjn]

I know the internet is going to be swamped with pics of this today, but here's the set passing the site of the old signal box at Ashton Moss Junction. I'm still not used to the box not being there.

TPE09 & 68027 'Splendid' by Mark Nulty, on Flickr

 

[David Turner]

Many thanks to all for the reports and photos of the Mark 5 set on the Liverpool to Scarborough initial service. As a former resident of Scarborough, I’m always interested to follow any news of my old town. I’ve even followed it on Realtime and the map on OpenTrainTimes. I’d never be able to do this without your reports. Where am I – 12000 miles away in Adelaide, South Australia and its now 17.45 over here.

 

[Kettledrum]

I feel like I have a theory as to why trains are taking so long to test/introduce...

Apparently one of the issues in regards to budgets/delays with the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter was that the planes were being produced at scale before really being fully tested, leading to them having to go back and make costly/difficult/time consuming changes to large numbers of planes rather than adjuating one prototype before going into production...

I wonder whether the same concept applies to new fleets, especially this one as it was needed in service quickly, that they started producing the full fleet before ironing out the kinks in a prototype before producing sets that were less likely to have issues?
Especially in regards to DVTs as they have to interface with another locomotive!

Very plausible theory - and now the teething problems have been ironed out, it would be much quicker to manufacture and introduce more units if any follow up orders were needed e.g. for Liverpool to Nottingham, or even adding more coaches to the others

 

[life210]

Have these been announced as Nova services at the station or on board (similar to LNER announcing them theirs as Azuma services)

 

[Fez14]

Wow this all feels slightly anticlimactic. We’ve followed this forum for years and then they’re introduced without much fanfare which is a shame

 

[BMIFlyer]

Have these been announced as Nova services at the station or on board (similar to LNER announcing them theirs as Azuma services)

No

Wow this all feels slightly anticlimactic. We’ve followed this forum for years and then they’re introduced without much fanfare which is a shame

Because they are not officially in service yet.

 

[Spartacus]

It was announced as a 5 car at Leeds, and the punters certainly noticed the difference between this and the 185s. Needed a 5 car too given the loading.

 

[life210]

It was announced as a 5 car at Leeds, and the punters certainly noticed the difference between this and the 185s. Needed a 5 car too given the loading.

Looking at national Rail online - interesting it announced it as platform 15B rather than 15 which would be the case for double 185s

 

[JonathanH]

Have these been announced as Nova services at the station or on board (similar to LNER announcing them theirs as Azuma services)

The person making the manual announcement on arrival at Liverpool this morning did refer to it being the first 'Nova 3' service but I don't recall any mention of Nova on the automated announcements.

 

[FFFC 57]

For those claiming ‘you won’t hear the loco from the train’, I’d recommend you have a hearing test I’m partially deaf even I could hear 27 away from Vic!

1st class passengers can enjoy the CAT sounds best. Brilliant they have now finally hit the rails full of passengers.

 

[The Northern Star]

The MK5s won't run on Fridays for the time being. Just at York btw ✌

 

[The Northern Star]

Wow this all feels slightly anticlimactic. We’ve followed this forum for years and then they’re introduced without much fanfare which is a shame

Thats meant to happen Monday

 

[InOban]

1st class passengers can enjoy the CAT sounds best. Brilliant they have now finally hit the rails full of passengers.

I thought that the point of LHCS was that you didn't have any annoying engine noise?!

 

[EE Andy b1]

I thought that the point of LHCS was that you didn't have any annoying engine noise?!

Don't think many will call the scream of the CAT annoying!

Great to see this project finally up and running in a limited fashion.

Onwards and upwards!

 

[sjpowermac]

I thought that the point of LHCS was that you didn't have any annoying engine noise?!

First Class you can here the engine reasonably well, especially leaving LIV, MCV, and LDS plus through the tunnels. Standard in coach D you can still here a bit. C,B and A all perfectly silent.

 

[sjpowermac]

Don't think many will call the scream of the CAT annoying!

Indeed not

 

[sjpowermac]

Thats meant to happen Monday

And definitely not a disappointment today either

 

[EE Andy b1]

So how is 68027 performing and what has the loadings been like upto now this morning?, and i don't just meen all the cranks!

 

[sjpowermac]

So how is 68027 performing and what has the loadings been like upto now this morning?, and i don't just meen all the cranks!

Pretty empty at 05:55, a fair few on at LIV, MCV a big pick up point, pretty full from Huddersfield.

On the way back from SCA, a 185 would have been swamped but the Nova 3 had a few seats to spare (York races). I bailed at York having traveled through the night to get to Manchester

68 was fantastic, acceleration very impressive, completely takes the hills in its stride

 

[4630]

First Class you can here the engine reasonably well, especially leaving LIV, MCV, and LDS plus through the tunnels. Standard in coach D you can still here a bit. C,B and A all perfectly silent.

Pretty loud through Morley Tunnel too.

 

[ash39]

People will be rose tinted about these new trains just because they have a loco on one end but I'm unimpressed. Air con ineffective, window alignment one of the worst I've come across and barely any airline seats.

 

[EE Andy b1]

Pretty empty at 05:55, a fair few on at LIV, MCV a big pick up point, pretty full from Huddersfield.

On the way back from SCA, a 185 would have been swamped but the Nova 3 had a few seats to spare (York races). I bailed at York having traveled through the night to get to Manchester

68 was fantastic, acceleration very impressive, completely takes the hills in its stride

Thanks for that, should serve a purpose for a few years then.

People will be rose tinted about these new trains just because they have a loco on one end but I'm unimpressed. Air con ineffective, window alignment one of the worst I've come across and barely any airline seats.

I suppose the real test is what passengers in general will think of them, and time will tell.

I hope to see for myself pretty soon.

 

[JonathanH]

Air con ineffective, window alignment one of the worst I've come across and barely any airline seats.

Yes, the seating arrangement is quite odd relative to the positioning of the windows - boarding a pretty empty train this morning it did seem that almost all of the table bays had fairly wide blank panels in their middle. It seems that positioning some face to back seats in between the table bays could resolve this. Certainly worse than a 185 for this.

There are more face to back seats in the driving trailer than the intermediate coaches.

The air conditioning all seems to be at the window with no roof mounted airflow. Time will tell whether this is effective.

Subject to the window point I think it is an interesting development - it would be interesting to know how fuel consumption differs from a 6-185 formation. I'm not sure that 6-185 is any worse to travel on than 68+Mk5.

 

[800001]

People will be rose tinted about these new trains just because they have a loco on one end but I'm unimpressed. Air con ineffective, window alignment one of the worst I've come across and barely any airline seats.

The most annoying thing for me is the air con vent along bottom of window, blasting out cold air, cant rest arms on there as arm will be either cold or warm

 

[route101]

Yes, the seating arrangement is quite odd relative to the positioning of the windows - boarding a pretty empty train this morning it did seem that almost all of the table bays had fairly wide blank panels in their middle. It seems that positioning some face to back seats in between the table bays could resolve this. Certainly worse than a 185 for this.

There are more face to back seats in the driving trailer than the intermediate coaches.

The air conditioning all seems to be at the window with no roof mounted airflow. Time will tell whether this is effective.

Subject to the window point I think it is an interesting development - it would be interesting to know how fuel consumption differs from a 6-185 formation. I'm not sure that 6-185 is any worse to travel on than 68+Mk5.

Face to back seats , is that airline seating ?

 

[route101]

It is the following:
Monday - Saturdays
1F84 0555 MCV - LIV (0632)
1E25 0656 LIV - SCA (0940)
1F25 1041 SCA - LIV (1332)
1E39 1356 LIV - SCA (1640)
1F76 1744 SCA - LIV (2033)
1J53 2056 LIV - SYB (2153)

Sundays
1E29 0856 LIV - SCA (1140)
1F66 1241 SCA - LIV (1532)
1E43 1552 LIV - SCA (1839)
1F80 1944 SCA - LIV (2232)

Running from 24/08 - 29/08 and then in line with train crew training.

Are they running after 29/08?