TPE Nova 3 (Class 68 + Mk5s) updates and withdrawal from service

[Spartacus]

TP08 had been running with a door fault and needed to finish at Longsight for attention, but the diagram it was on finished at Scarborough.

 

[Jamesrob637]

Ome diagram is 3-car today instead of 5 possibly due to said door issue.

 

[sjpowermac]

TP08 had been running with a door fault and needed to finish at Longsight for attention, but the diagram it was on finished at Scarborough.

Many thanks for the shout, appreciated

 

[Jamesrob637]

Are the 17:00 York to Scarborough and 18:34 Scarborough to York booked 68 until December?

 

[PennineSuperb]

Are the 17:00 York to Scarborough and 18:34 Scarborough to York booked 68 until December?

No, these are just single 185's.

 

[Jamesrob637]

No, these are just single 185's.

Thanks: will explain why they've been cancelled today. Have extremely rarely seen cancellations of double diagrams; only short forms.

 

[sjpowermac]

Fresh set out today 02.11.2020

TP01 1E43 16:30 Manchester Victoria to Scarborough with 68028

 

[Spirit555]

09/11 Nova 3

68024 TP13
1F48 05:54 Manchester Victoria -Liverpool Lime Street
1E25 06:54 Liverpool Lime Street - Scarborough
1T60 09:57 Scarborough - York
1T29 11:00 York - Scarborough
1F66 12:34 Scarborough - Liverpool Lime Street
1E45 16:54 Liverpool Lime Street - Scarborough

68031 TP10 loco on West end
1F54 06:34 Scarborough - Liverpool Lime Street
1E35 11:54 Liverpool Lime Street - Scarborough
1F72 15:34 Scarborough - Liverpool Lime Street
1E51 19:54 Liverpool Lime Street - Scarborough

68028 TP01 loco on on East end
1F56 07:34 Scarborough-Manchester Victoria
1E43 16:30 Manchester Victoria - Scarborough
1P92 19:34 Scarborough - Manchester Airport

 

[CW2]

The new December timetables can now be downloaded from the TPE website.
It appears that the morning 68 diagram across the Pennines is 05:54 Victoria - Lime Street => 06:54 Lime Street - Scarborough.
In the evening it is the 20:34 Scarborough - Manchester Airport (i.e. one hour later than present.)
There are some unfortunate gaps in the service, e.g. 08:34 Scarborough - York does not run, so there is a 2-hour gap in the service 07:34 - 09:34.
In the evening the departures from York to Scarborough are at 20:00 then a 2-hour gap to 22:00, which now becomes the last train (the 22:45 doesn't run).
It seems that no attempt has been made to time the York - Scarborough shuttles with any connections in mind. The xx:54 path from Liverpool (which is the WTT Scarborough path) is occupied by a Newcastle service which sits at Manchester Victoria for 14 minutes, then reaches York at xx:05, 5 minutes after the hourly Scarborough shuttle has departed. It's no better the other way.
There should be three 68s and a 185 involved in the diagrams, with some laying over / swapping at Scarborough during the course of the day.

 

[Jamesrob637]

So we're no better off? Still only 3 sets out a day from December? This is shoddy if so.

 

[Uk125]

The new December timetables can now be downloaded from the TPE website.
It appears that the morning 68 diagram across the Pennines is 05:54 Victoria - Lime Street => 06:54 Lime Street - Scarborough.
In the evening it is the 20:34 Scarborough - Manchester Airport (i.e. one hour later than present.)
There are some unfortunate gaps in the service, e.g. 08:34 Scarborough - York does not run, so there is a 2-hour gap in the service 07:34 - 09:34.
In the evening the departures from York to Scarborough are at 20:00 then a 2-hour gap to 22:00, which now becomes the last train (the 22:45 doesn't run).
It seems that no attempt has been made to time the York - Scarborough shuttles with any connections in mind. The xx:54 path from Liverpool (which is the WTT Scarborough path) is occupied by a Newcastle service which sits at Manchester Victoria for 14 minutes, then reaches York at xx:05, 5 minutes after the hourly Scarborough shuttle has departed. It's no better the other way.
There should be three 68s and a 185 involved in the diagrams, with some laying over / swapping at Scarborough during the course of the day.

Link to the new timetable please?

Thanks

 

[JonathanH]

So we're no better off? Still only 3 sets out a day from December? This is shoddy if so.

A reflection of demand and cost of operation rather than any function of the trains themselves - realistic, not shoddy. (In part also due to a lack of training for York traincrew as well but that is also impacted by the current circumstances.)

 

[CW2]

Link to the new timetable please?

Thanks

The new timetables have been uploaded to the fares system, but as yet have not been made available to download from the TPE website.
You can interrogate individual train times by searching for fares e.g. from Liverpool to Scarborough on (say) 16th December.
The timings are also available in more detail in Realtime Trains.

 

[Uk125]

Thanks

 

[J-P_L]

The new timetables have been uploaded to the fares system, but as yet have not been made available to download from the TPE website.
You can interrogate individual train times by searching for fares e.g. from Liverpool to Scarborough on (say) 16th December.
The timings are also available in more detail in Realtime Trains.

They are available on the TPE website but they have changed the way they are presented as they have merged the planned engineering works with the normal timetables.

Click on the link for north route/south route/Anglo-Scot then select the date and the timetable will load. There’s a button on the top that says “print view” which will create a downloadable version.

 

[47550]

Chiltern 68014 is on Longsight at the moment amongst the TPE 68s. First time I’ve seen one up here.

 

[sjpowermac]

Chiltern 68014 is on Longsight at the moment amongst the TPE 68s. First time I’ve seen one up here.

Maybe for the wheel lathe?

 

[Jamesrob637]

One diagram yesterday was 3-car vice 5 and one diagram is today albeit a different one.

Have there been reported issues with these? Also, I know somebody posted December's allocations 4 weeks ago: have things changed with regards to the new timetable?

 

[CW2]

One diagram yesterday was 3-car vice 5 and one diagram is today albeit a different one.

Have there been reported issues with these? Also, I know somebody posted December's allocations 4 weeks ago: have things changed with regards to the new timetable?

As far as I can see (from RailCam) there are three 68s out today as booked, 68023 and 68026 on the Liverpool diagrams and 68031 on the Manchester Victoria this morning.
The morning gap in departures York - Scarborough has been sorted, but the non-connections at York between the Liverpool starters and the Scarborough shuttles (and vice versa) persist.
It's almost as if somebody was deliberately making the service as unattractive as possible.

68022 + TP13 failed at Scarborough yesterday morning after arrival from Liverpool, which caused some cancellations, terminating short, and 185 substitutions for the remainder of the day.

 

[Jamesrob637]

As far as I can see (from RailCam) there are three 68s out today as booked, 68023 and 68026 on the Liverpool diagrams and 68031 on the Manchester Victoria this morning.
The morning gap in departures York - Scarborough has been sorted, but the non-connections at York between the Liverpool starters and the Scarborough shuttles (and vice versa) persist.
It's almost as if somebody was deliberately making the service as unattractive as possible.

68022 + TP13 failed at Scarborough yesterday morning after arrival from Liverpool, which caused some cancellations, terminating short, and 185 substitutions for the remainder of the day.

That'll be really annoying after next May as people go to the seaside once again. Hopefully TPE see sense and reinstate the full timetable with predominately Nova.

 

[HSP 2]

I was looking on RTT for a service from Man V (MCV) to Man Airport (MIA) For the Sat. 19/12/20. When I spotted this working from Redcar Central (RCC).
Dep. RCC 1007 arrive MIA 1313 1P68.
Dep. MIA 1340 arrive RCC 1648 1P77.
Now they don't look very exciting at first glance just another 185 working, but when I looked at the traction it was saying diesel loco trailing 160 tonnes. Is it just a glitch? Or are TPE going to start running 68s from RCC to MIA.

 

[_toommm_]

I was looking on RTT for a service from Man V (MCV) to Man Airport (MIA) For the Sat. 19/12/20. When I spotted this working from Redcar Central (RCC).
Dep. RCC 1007 arrive MIA 1313 1P68.
Dep. MIA 1340 arrive RCC 1648 1P77.
Now they don't look very exciting at first glance just another 185 working, but when I looked at the traction it was saying diesel loco trailing 160 tonnes. Is it just a glitch? Or are TPE going to start running 68s from RCC to MIA.

That’s the timing load, which will just be updated for if and when they do run 68s on the route. There’s been Scarborough runs pathed as 68s which don’t run as them.
Aside from LNER and Avanti (and even those aren’t 100% accurate) never look too too closely at the timing load.

 

[sjpowermac]

I was looking on RTT for a service from Man V (MCV) to Man Airport (MIA) For the Sat. 19/12/20. When I spotted this working from Redcar Central (RCC).
Dep. RCC 1007 arrive MIA 1313 1P68.
Dep. MIA 1340 arrive RCC 1648 1P77.
Now they don't look very exciting at first glance just another 185 working, but when I looked at the traction it was saying diesel loco trailing 160 tonnes. Is it just a glitch? Or are TPE going to start running 68s from RCC to MIA.

The Class 68s are now working York to Scarborough shuttles, save for one working per day each way over the Pennines to get sets to/from Longsight for maintenance. Timetables attached.

 

[RHolmes]

I was looking on RTT for a service from Man V (MCV) to Man Airport (MIA) For the Sat. 19/12/20. When I spotted this working from Redcar Central (RCC).
Dep. RCC 1007 arrive MIA 1313 1P68.
Dep. MIA 1340 arrive RCC 1648 1P77.
Now they don't look very exciting at first glance just another 185 working, but when I looked at the traction it was saying diesel loco trailing 160 tonnes. Is it just a glitch? Or are TPE going to start running 68s from RCC to MIA.

No 68’s to Redcar Central, and I wouldn’t expect them to be until December 2021 at the earliest

The latest with the 185’s that were due to go off lease is that they’re actually being retained for a further 12 months

 

[Fokx]

I can’t imagine there being many Nova 3 diagrams in the new reduced north timetable from February.

The 2 hourly Manchester to Scarborough (via local stations) is expected to be largely double 185 with one Nova 3 doing a morning Manchester to Liverpool to Scarborough and retuning in the evening as current

 

[sjpowermac]

I can’t imagine there being many Nova 3 diagrams in the new reduced north timetable from February.

The 2 hourly Manchester to Scarborough (via local stations) is expected to be largely double 185 with one Nova 3 doing a morning Manchester to Liverpool to Scarborough and retuning in the evening as current

As I understand it, two diagrams on offer but one spends most of the day sat at Scarborough, the other most of the day at Longsight. Correct about the all stations trains being 185s.

 

[D6130]

I note from Real Time Trains that next Sunday, 31st January, there will be a 1E27, 08 18 Manchester Piccadilly - Scarborough via the Calder Valley. According to RTT it will be a DMU as far as Dewsbury, where it will magically transform into a diesel locomotive hauling 160 tonnes, during a one minute stop! However, according to a source within TPE, it will be a class 68 and Mark 5 set throughout. The question is.....can I get up early enough on a freezing winter morning to photograph it roaring through Hebden Bridge at 08 54?

 

[JonathanH]

According to RTT it will be a DMU as far as Dewsbury, where it will magically transform into a diesel locomotive hauling 160 tonnes, during a one minute stop!

Those are just timing loads. There presumably isn't one for a 'diesel locomotive hauling 160 tonnes' via Rochdale / Hebden Bridge so they have to use the nearest one available.

A better indicator of something being 68+Mk5 on RTT is the empty stock coming from Longsight rather than Ardwick.

 

[gimmea50anyday]

Paper exercise I suspect. DMU timings, probably to allow for substitution for a 185 vice the booked mk5, not that I can see any real difference between the two as far as timing is concerned, if anything I would have thought the power to weight and multiple powered axles of a 6 car 185 would have the advantage

Edit:- or what he ^ said

 

[sjpowermac]

I note from Real Time Trains that next Sunday, 31st January, there will be a 1E27, 08 18 Manchester Piccadilly - Scarborough via the Calder Valley. According to RTT it will be a DMU as far as Dewsbury, where it will magically transform into a diesel locomotive hauling 160 tonnes, during a one minute stop! However, according to a source within TPE, it will be a class 68 and Mark 5 set throughout. The question is.....can I get up early enough on a freezing winter morning to photograph it roaring through Hebden Bridge at 08 54?

Booked Class 68 Nova 3 set, ecs linked below.
5E27 07:47 Longsight to Manchester Piccadilly

Realtime Trains - 5E27 0747 Longsight Car. M.D. to Manchester Piccadilly

Realtime Trains provides live realtime running information for the Great British railway network using open data.

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I hope you have good weather and manage to get a great picture