TPE Nova 3 (Class 68 + Mk5s) updates and withdrawal from service

[Spartacus]

Booked Class 68 Nova 3 set, ecs linked below.
5E27 07:47 Longsight to Manchester Piccadilly

Realtime Trains - 5E27 0747 Longsight Car. M.D. to Manchester Piccadilly

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I hope you have good weather and manage to get a great picture

Pity we're in lockdown as it'd be a good birthday treat for the youngest, she loves the TPE 68s.

 

[Watershed]

I note from Real Time Trains that next Sunday, 31st January, there will be a 1E27, 08 18 Manchester Piccadilly - Scarborough via the Calder Valley. According to RTT it will be a DMU as far as Dewsbury, where it will magically transform into a diesel locomotive hauling 160 tonnes, during a one minute stop! However, according to a source within TPE, it will be a class 68 and Mark 5 set throughout. The question is.....can I get up early enough on a freezing winter morning to photograph it roaring through Hebden Bridge at 08 54?

Yes, it's booked a 68. 68 and 185 timings are identical, at least for the time being, so there is no special significance to the timing load used.

 

[DannyMich2018]

I can’t imagine there being many Nova 3 diagrams in the new reduced north timetable from February.

The 2 hourly Manchester to Scarborough (via local stations) is expected to be largely double 185 with one Nova 3 doing a morning Manchester to Liverpool to Scarborough and retuning in the evening as current

Has there ever been many Nova 3 diagrams? ;( three years in May since the first ones arrived. Only ever 4 diagrams max. Class 68's been here longer and spent most of the time idle or on freight.

 

[BoroAndy]

I think the TPE and EMT Saturday extras to Scarborough are due to have finished in 2020 as the NT York Scarborough service should have started. But due to Covid who knows what will be happening.

 

[37201xoIM]

Paper exercise I suspect. DMU timings, probably to allow for substitution for a 185 vice the booked mk5, not that I can see any real difference between the two as far as timing is concerned, if anything I would have thought the power to weight and multiple powered axles of a 6 car 185 would have the advantage

Edit:- or what he ^ said

Tut tut!

Mk5 set: 15.5 hp/t
185: 13.4 hp/t

Multiple powered axles point is only relevant at very low speeds for a passenger train.

 

[SuperNova]

I think the TPE and EMT Saturday extras to Scarborough are due to have finished in 2020 as the NT York Scarborough service should have started. But due to Covid who knows what will be happening.

Given what happened in Summer 2020, I suspect that the Scarborough TPE service will be a shuttle for the next few years until rail begins to recover.

 

[_toommm_]

Apologies if this has already been mentioned, but does anyone have the current diagrams please?

I vaguely remember reading somewhere there’s only a handful of east to west services per day with the 68s.

 

[Freightmaster]

Apologies if this has already been mentioned, but does anyone have the current diagrams please?

Here you go...

Diagram A:
1F48 0554 MCV-LIV
1E25 0654 LIV-SCA
1T72 1554 SCA-MCV
1T47 1830 MCV-SCA

Diagram B:
1T54 0634 SCA-MCV
(ecs to/from Longsight)
1T43 1631 MCV-SCA
1P92 1934 SCA-MIA






MARK

 

[_toommm_]

Here you go...

Diagram A:
1F48 0554 MCV-LIV
1E25 0654 LIV-SCA
1T72 1554 SCA-MCV
1T47 1830 MCV-SCA

Diagram B:
1T54 0634 SCA-MCV
(ecs to/from Longsight)
1T43 1631 MCV-SCA
1P92 1934 SCA-MIA






MARK

Thank you so much!

 

[Jamesrob637]

Here you go...

Diagram A:
1F48 0554 MCV-LIV
1E25 0654 LIV-SCA
1T72 1554 SCA-MCV
1T47 1830 MCV-SCA

Diagram B:
1T54 0634 SCA-MCV
(ecs to/from Longsight)
1T43 1631 MCV-SCA
1P92 1934 SCA-MIA






MARK

15:34 Scarborough to Manchester hasn't even managed to be a Mk5 today according to Journey Check.

 

[RHolmes]

15:34 Scarborough to Manchester hasn't even managed to be a Mk5 today according to Journey Check.

Unit failure on 68029/TP01 and replaced by a 185 from 1P74

 

[CW2]

1631 Man Vic - Scarborough / 1934 Scarborough - MIA both shown as 3-car vice 5 today "due to a train fault".
The 1631 seems to have sunk without trace...

 

[ls2270]

1631 Man Vic - Scarborough / 1934 Scarborough - MIA both shown as 3-car vice 5 today "due to a train fault".
The 1631 seems to have sunk without trace...

Just checked and looks like it’s starting from York with 185113.

 

[RHolmes]

Just checked and looks like it’s starting from York with 185113.

68025 was the original booked loco (which failed)

 

[Jamesrob637]

Did it yesterday too. Or maybe that was the one 2 hours later

Almost irrelevant which one. Disappointing for it to have occurred on two consecutive days.

 

[RHolmes]

Did it yesterday too. Or maybe that was the one 2 hours later

Almost irrelevant which one. Disappointing for it to have occurred on two consecutive days.

Same train and set booked to do both hence it’s relevance

 

[Jamesrob637]

Same train and set booked to do both hence it’s relevance

Yeah, more relevant the train than the diagram for the purpose of this thread.

 

[Spartacus]

68034's booked to work 3B92 today, TP02 set with the spare DT.

Realtime Trains - 399R 0821 Carlisle to Crewe Down Refuge Siding

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[Roger B]

68034's booked to work 3B92 today, TP02 set with the spare DT.

Realtime Trains - 399R 0821 Carlisle to Crewe Down Refuge Siding

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Wow. Thanks Spartacus. Rare outing for 12814. Are there any sightings of it en route? Can anyone confirm that it's on this working? Thanks again Spartacus for the heads-up.

68034's booked to work 3B92 today, TP02 set with the spare DT.

Realtime Trains - 399R 0821 Carlisle to Crewe Down Refuge Siding

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Just had an email from the 'coaching stock' group saying the consist is: 12802 12706 12805 12704 11502 and 68034 - no mention of 12814. Can anyone confirm whether 12814's on this or not? Many thanks

 

[Spartacus]

Just had an email from the 'coaching stock' group saying the consist is: 12802 12706 12805 12704 11502 and 68034 - no mention of 12814. Can anyone confirm whether 12814's on this or not? Many thanks

Can't confirm visually but it's in TRUST as 12814.

 

[Jamesrob637]

So we're going back to just three sets from the 29th? Yet other routes are increasing in frequency too?

Scarborough needs now be 68s throughout even if it is predominantly a shuttle from York with only a couple of through workings a day from points West (Which are already mostly 68s to be fair).

185s should be released to guarantee 6-car workings elsewhere.

 

[RHolmes]

So we're going back to just three sets from the 29th? Yet other routes are increasing in frequency too?

Scarborough needs now be 68s throughout even if it is predominantly a shuttle from York with only a couple of through workings a day from points West (Which are already mostly 68s to be fair).

185s should be released to guarantee 6-car workings elsewhere.

It’s always been due to be three sets from Dec to May 21’

It can’t be 68’s throughout as they’re aren’t enough competent traincrew to operate it. Due to the service cuts, staff who were trained have now lost their competency.

The 15 class 185s have been kept until December specifically for the purpose of service strengthening

 

[CW2]

It’s always been due to be three sets from Dec to May 21’

It can’t be 68’s throughout as they’re aren’t enough competent traincrew to operate it. Due to the service cuts, staff who were trained have now lost their competency.

The 15 class 185s have been kept until December specifically for the purpose of service strengthening

I'm not sure we have the same starting point for this debate.
My understanding of "December 2020 timetable" includes an hourly Liverpool - Scarborough 06:54 to 19:54, which involves 7 diagrams, of which 4 were due to be 68-hauled and 3 were 185s.
Meanwhile under Covid alterations the Liverpool services have been amended to be almost entirely to / from Newcastle. So what pattern of services do you think we have from the end of the month?

 

[HamworthyGoods]

Scarborough needs now be 68s throughout even if it is predominantly a shuttle from York with only a couple of through workings a day from points West (Which are already mostly 68s to be fair).

Why when as mentioned already the 15 class 185s are specifically being retained for the time being to ensure other services are strengthened?

Keeping the number of Nova 3s low assists with driver training and the noise abatement issues at Scarborough’s new depot.

 

[Watershed]

I'm not sure we have the same starting point for this debate.
My understanding of "December 2020 timetable" includes an hourly Liverpool - Scarborough 06:54 to 19:54, which involves 7 diagrams, of which 4 were due to be 68-hauled and 3 were 185s.
Meanwhile under Covid alterations the Liverpool services have been amended to be almost entirely to / from Newcastle. So what pattern of services do you think we have from the end of the month?

The December 2020 WTT has just one direct service from Liverpool to Scarborough, departing at 06:54.

There were previously more direct services but these were axed during the course of the pandemic.

The Liverpool-Newcastle services have remained fairly static throughout all Covid timetables, being 802-operated, and 1tph from early till late.

The only real change is the alteration of the paths so that the 1tph can pick up both Lea Green and Newton-le-Willows, with a corresponding longer dwell at Manchester Victoria.

 

[CW2]

OK, as I suspected, my idea of "December 2020 WTT" was different.
So I guess the diagrams will revert to:

Diagram A:

1F48 0554 MCV-LIV

1E25 0654 LIV-SCA

1T72 1554 SCA-MCV

1T47 1830 MCV-SCA

Diagram B:

1T54 0634 SCA-MCV

(ecs to/from Longsight)

1T43 1631 MCV-SCA

1P92 1934 SCA-MIA

 

[Philip]

A class 68 pulling TPE mk5 coaches came through Deansgate late this morning? Was this an ECS or on a York-Manchester working?

 

[CW2]

A class 68 pulling TPE mk5 coaches came through Deansgate late this morning? Was this an ECS or on a York-Manchester working?

If it was just after 0900 heading towards Piccadilly, then it was the ECS off the 0634 Scarborough - Manchester Victoria heading for Longsight (5H54).

 

[RHolmes]

I'm not sure we have the same starting point for this debate.
My understanding of "December 2020 timetable" includes an hourly Liverpool - Scarborough 06:54 to 19:54, which involves 7 diagrams, of which 4 were due to be 68-hauled and 3 were 185s.
Meanwhile under Covid alterations the Liverpool services have been amended to be almost entirely to / from Newcastle. So what pattern of services do you think we have from the end of the month?

To clarify, the late December timetable.

Liverpool to Scarborough is largely remaining as a York shuttle, with services such as the Manchester to Hull and local stoppers restored

 

[CW2]

To clarify, the late December timetable.

Liverpool to Scarborough is largely remaining as a York shuttle, with services such as the Manchester to Hull and local stoppers restored

Thanks for that.
Do you know which services over the Pennines remain 68 hauled? Are they the ones listed in my earlier post, or is there some new variant planned?