Speed43125
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My understanding was that a whole set would be done up in EMR livery, is that still the plan?
My understanding was that a whole set would be done up in EMR livery, is that still the plan?
Not just me who considers this a huge waste of time and money, right? Withdrawn next month with limited use before then and at a time when the railways are short on cash, not to mention the filthy 360s they're introducing in May without a even a repaint, let alone an internal refurb.
More money has been wasted on other things in recent years, but that's for another thread.It is having a cheap and quick job done on it as the company way of saying goodbye, nothing like 43102 had. NL have plenty of staff spare with only 3 sets to maintain (hence they've been working on 158s too) so no real problem in giving them something nice to do.
no, it's mostly just you I think.Not just me who considers this a huge waste of time and money, right? Withdrawn next month with limited use before then and at a time when the railways are short on cash, not to mention the filthy 360s they're introducing in May without a even a repaint, let alone an internal refurb.
That would be good!My understanding was that a whole set would be done up in EMR livery, is that still the plan?
If Abellio want to swallow the cost of repainting a power car that is likely to be retired in five weeks time, I have no problem with that. On the other hand, if the cost is ultimately picked up by the government through an EMA/ERMA, then I'd be disappointed and it would symbolically indicate a part of the rail industry had failed to grasp the issues around the level of financial support it is currently receiving.Not just me who considers this a huge waste of time and money, right? Withdrawn next month with limited use before then and at a time when the railways are short on cash, not to mention the filthy 360s they're introducing in May without a even a repaint, let alone an internal refurb.
Much of the public transport industry is receiving large levels of financial support from the govt (including the airlines, which are major subsidy junkies at the best of times). How depressing to think that none of them should seek to celebrate any of their most famous assets in any way. The only shame is this was not done much sooner - when the shabby LNER HSTs came over (and of course when far more money was spent making them fit for service for a relatively short period of time).If Abellio want to swallow the cost of repainting a power car that is likely to be retired in five weeks time, I have no problem with that. On the other hand, if the cost is ultimately picked up by the government through an EMA/ERMA, then I'd be disappointed and it would symbolically indicate a part of the rail industry had failed to grasp the issues around the level of financial support it is currently receiving.
My thoughts entirely. It would be better if EMR just refurbished the 360s up to the same standard as their current HST & 222 fleet, so that the cost of travelling by rail is justified. We are currently going to have horrific 3+2 seating (instead of 2+2) with no wi-fi (not that the 222's wi-fi works anyway).Not just me who considers this a huge waste of time and money, right? Withdrawn next month with limited use before then and at a time when the railways are short on cash, not to mention the filthy 360s they're introducing in May without a even a repaint, let alone an internal refurb.
The cost of a power car repaint is a tiny fraction of the £45 million that has been wasted on the Class 442s.If Abellio want to swallow the cost of repainting a power car that is likely to be retired in five weeks time, I have no problem with that. On the other hand, if the cost is ultimately picked up by the government through an EMA/ERMA, then I'd be disappointed and it would symbolically indicate a part of the rail industry had failed to grasp the issues around the level of financial support it is currently receiving.
I suspect you might get the outside of 1 or 2 360s re liveried for the cost of this power car repaint. Or maybe a few seats in one carriage swapped to 2+2 instead. It's not a like for like or an either / or option.My thoughts entirely. It would be better if EMR just refurbished the 360s up to the same standard as their current HST & 222 fleet, so that the cost of travelling by rail is justified. We are currently going to have horrific 3+2 seating (instead of 2+2) with no wi-fi (not that the 222's wi-fi works anyway).
No chance. Cost of a power car repaint will be roughly the same as for repainting one vehicle of a 360.I suspect you might get the outside of 1 or 2 360s re liveried for the cost of this power car repaint.
No chance. Cost of a power car repaint will be roughly the same as for repainting one vehicle of a 360.
Not sure that's right. It's not being done in-house, for a start, as I understand it.Much less in this case! It is being done to a standard that matches it's life expectancy.
Much less in this case! It is being done to a standard that matches it's life expectancy. I don't know why people are making a big thing of it.
A1 Pro Paint, same as 43102.Not sure that's right. It's not being done in-house, for a start, as I understand it.
Not sure that's right. It's not being done in-house, for a start, as I understand it.
Careful thereBecause it’s Railforums and it’s full of “enthusiasts,” who seemingly despise the railway because they know better how it should be run...
Because it’s Railforums and it’s full of “enthusiasts,” who seemingly despise the railway because they know better how it should be run...
Sorry - I meant 1 or 2 carriages of a 360! missed a key word!!No chance. Cost of a power car repaint will be roughly the same as for repainting one vehicle of a 360.
Looks like the aubergine power car (274) is nearly done and will be out and about for the final few weeks of EMR HST operations:
I also can't help but feel a bit sorry for EMR - they keep having all their thunder stolen out from underneath them in terms of big reveals - first 102 and now this one too.
has it occured to anyone on here behaving like vitriolic keyboard warriors that the paint job might have beem sponsored by the leasing firm and not out of the TOC or DfTs pocket, or that perhaps it is utilising otherwise dormant staff for training and work experience? Could it be that this particular PC may be destined for donation to a museum or preservation or youth training project somewhere or turned into a primary school classroom and that EMR have chosen to tidy it up a little before it gets given away? After all, a comment further up this thread highlighted the PC that was paired with 43 102 looked a right scruffy mess so here we are seeing EMR doing something about it and people are complaining about it! I don't remember LNER getting such negative criticism for their flying banana repaint and heritage tour, in fact it was positively welcomed...
"If we don't do any work on the 360s, nobody will be able to leak the new interior"Is there a summary of the entry into and exit from service of the ex LNER sets and power cars anywhere? I get the impression that some ran in service for only a short time - only 2 sets seem to be in use at the moment, I thought there were more at one point.
Well they've managed to keep the reveal of the 360's top secret
First/last use of the power cars has been documented in 125 Group’s magazine.Is there a summary of the entry into and exit from service of the ex LNER sets and power cars anywhere? I get the impression that some ran in service for only a short time - only 2 sets seem to be in use at the moment, I thought there were more at one point.
Only sets NL56, NL57, NL58 remain now with 2 diagramed each day in late 2020 there were 5 'red' sets running which at that point there were 5 diagrams. For the dates I have just been through this and the EMR branding thread to get the dates for the sets and a rough idea for the power cars. I started the dates for the power cars on my lists but then dropped it after a few.Is there a summary of the entry into and exit from service of the ex LNER sets and power cars anywhere? I get the impression that some ran in service for only a short time - only 2 sets seem to be in use at the moment, I thought there were more at one point.