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There are already several threads on railway scenes in films, TV shows etc such as this one: https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/railways-in-pop-culture.136069/

and this one: https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...elevision-scenes-involving-the-railway.30908/

Apologies if there's already a thread on this, but a lot of films and TV shows have trains and other forms of transport in them that are not authentic for the era or the area in which they are set.

Here are a few examples that I can think of:

In "The Railway Man" Eric Lomax, the main character, travels on a train of maroon liveried Mark 1s hauled by a Class 67. It's supposed to be in 1980, which was long before the 67s were built. There were a lot of Mark 1s around then but they would have been blue & grey.

I think he travels from Chester to Berwick-upon-Tweed, and AFAIK there have never been any direct trains from Chester to Berwick. On alighting at Berwick you hear the ying-ying-ying sound of the 67, and they've done their best to blank out the overhead wires as the East Coast Main Line wasn't electrified then but you can still see them if you look carefully.

Similarly, there's an episode of Life on Mars with a train of maroon Mark 1s at Bury Bolton Street on the East Lancs Railway. Again they should have been blue & grey as it's set in 1973.

The Scottish Dancing episode of Some Mothers Do 'Ave 'Em has a scene at a station with a Hymek-hauled train of plum & custard liveried Mark 1s. Again that would have been first aired in about the mid 1970s so I would guess that it was filmed on a preserved railway (maybe the Severn Valley or the West Somerset?).

There's also a train of Mark 1s in the film "Dunkirk", which is set in World War 2: before the Mark 1s were built.

"Spike Island", a film about the Stone Roses rock band, is set in 1990 but has a scene in it with a TransPennine Express Class 185 DMU visible in the background. There's also a scene with the present day façade of Manchester Piccadilly station. It does have a Manchester bus in it that's authentic for that era, though (an Atlantean I think).

"Us", a recent TV drama series about a family who tour Europe by train, has a flashback scene from the 1990s, when the parents first met, with a London Overground Class 378 EMU in it. There's a separate thread on this series at https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/transeuropean-rail-travel-in-bbc-drama-us.209940/

I also seem to recall that in "The Wildcats of St Trinian's" there's a scene with a Class 117 DMU even though I think it's supposed to be somewhere on the south coast (Eastbourne I think).
 
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I'm sure that this topic has been aired before here but so what, film and TV producers continue to provide 'spotting opportunities for pedants' all the time.
I can't think of specifics but stories based in the '205 and '304s, BR standard locos are frequently shown pulling pre-war coaching stock, and the obverse also happens where Mk1 stock is hauled by big four locos, in token representations of liveries of those days.
There are more subtle errors like pristine flat bottomed track on concrete sleepers and evidence of track minimalisation where station yards have been cleared of sidings.
 

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There was an episode of ITV's "London's Burning" back in the 1990s with an incident which involved a nuclear flask wagon in a freight yard. A preserved diesel (can't recall if it was a class 14 or class 17) was painted into Railfreight red-stripe livery for the episode, and given a TOPS number.
 

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Skyfall. District line. Tube stock?

Mission Impossible. A TGV through Kent. With no OLE or third rail. I was more annoyed about that yah a helicopter flying in the Channel Tunnel!
 

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Skyfall. District line. Tube stock?

I've just watched a thing about that, it wasn't CGI!
Not accurate stock by a long chalk.

Slightly OT:
I watched 'Prisoner and Escort" (The Porridge pilot) the other night.
The train left St.Pancras to Carlisle (eh ?) then all of a sudden they are on the WCML as they mention stations.
They arrive at Carlisle which isn't - more like a rural station and arrive in a 1st gen DMU!
It is noted throughout this that nearest station is Carlisle.

The first episode of 'Going Straight' (Porridge sequel) is more accurate with Carlisle but I think the class 86* was replaced with a class 55 en-route, then I think an 86* again.
(*some AL anyway)
 

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I know this example isn't quite 'non authentic', but:

Half-watched Murder on the Orient Express (in company) and, it seems, the steam loco and train-crew worked through from Paris to Istanbul. They must have been from Paris's equivalent of Birmingham's Saltley...
 

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I've been watching reruns of "The Bill" from the 1980s and early 1990s. They are on the UKTV On Demand catchup channel. The railways and trains in the background during some episodes are obviously authentically contemporary, but Sun Hill which was notionally in or around Tower Hamlets does seem to wander around London a lot. When their base was North Kensington, there was a fair bit of GWML. Later they moved south of the river, so it's all third rail stuff in NSE livery. They had a couple of episodes where the plot involved characters travelling to or from Yorkshire. They did manage to arrive and depart at Kings Cross.

Someone may have had an HSE or BBTP line to the scriptwriters as there was an episode warning of the danger of the third rail and another warning of detonators.
 

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In the Lupin the Third Part II (Red Jacket Series) 2nd season episode Lady Detective Melon/Revenge of Le Nerd, Inspector Zenigata finds himself on the Paris Metro tracks, being chased by a multiple unit being driven by Lupin and Jigen. This multiple unit doesn't have a rear driving car, however the show gets a pass for being slapstick, so the laws of physics and real life don't apply here.
 

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In "The Railway Man" Eric Lomax, the main character, travels on a train of maroon liveried Mark 1s hauled by a Class 67. It's supposed to be in 1980, which was long before the 67s were built. There were a lot of Mark 1s around then but they would have been blue & grey.

I think he travels from Chester to Berwick-upon-Tweed, and AFAIK there have never been any direct trains from Chester to Berwick. On alighting at Berwick you hear the ying-ying-ying sound of the 67, and they've done their best to blank out the overhead wires as the East Coast Main Line wasn't electrified then but you can still see them if you look carefully.
The initial journey in the film is indeed from Chester to Berwick-upon-Tweed, but the main character explains that this is via the West Coast route with changes at Crewe and Carstairs, which would indeed be a common routeing at the time. There are platform scenes supposedly at Carstairs and Edinburgh Waverley early in the film; Both appear to use the same station for filming purposes (Perth, I think?) and no overhead wires are evident, though they would have been appropriate for Carstairs. You're right that there's at least one OHLE stanchion visible on the Royal Border Bridge at Berwick in a scene later in the film.

I've seen no evidence of a class 67 in the early sequences (There is the sound of something 67-esque later in the film but I'm not sure that isn't a stock sound recording): The locos shown on screen are a BR green class 45 on what I believe is the Great Central Railway, and a West Coast Railways class 37. Neither are appropriate for West Coast main line services in 1980 mind, but I believe at the time of filming there was only one BR blue class 86 and one rake of blue/grey mark 2 air-cons even potentially available in the UK, and no doubt would have offered less flexibility for filming.
 

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There is an episode of Sherlock (the one with Benedict Cumberbatch and Martin Freeman) which discusses the last car of a Jubilee Line (1995 stock) train being "removed" between stops (mind boggles) and then when said removed car is located, it's from District Line (1978) stock!

I found this particularly disappointing at the time, given the previously high production quality :(

I believe an earlier episode (Series 1) features an old Gatwick Express Juniper, although briefly.
 

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There was an episode of 'London's Burning' (mid 1980's?) with a class 14 on a nuclear flask train o_O
 

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Have we mentioned the stock borrowed off the Mid Norfolk Railway featured in Jed Mercurio's 2018 TV drama "Bodyguard" supposedly on its way direct to London Euston (from Dereham!)
 

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Already mentioned in post #3, but thanks for confirming the class and presumably correcting my date guesstimate! :)
Sorry, missed that!
Anyway found the episode.
It was a Teddy Bear double header - TOPS numbered 14 029 (BR Blue) and D9516 (looks like BR blue, was shot in the dark).
 

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Sorry, missed that!
Anyway found the episode.
It was a Teddy Bear double header - TOPS numbered 14 029 (BR Blue) and D9516 (looks like BR blue, was shot in the dark).
I remember it being mentioned in an issue of Rail magazine, with a photo that showed railfreight grey with a 58-style "red stripe" chassis. Can't be 100% confident with any of my recollections though.
 

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The music video for Small-town Boy by Bronski Beat. External shots show a 1st gen DMU leaving Paddington, the interior is a Cl 317 out of Liverpool Street.
 

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I've been told that there's filming at the moment on the GWSR for the crime series McDonald and Dodds - it'll be interesting to see what they do, as it's set in Bath ... !
 

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I've just watched a thing about that, it wasn't CGI!
Not accurate stock by a long chalk.

Slightly OT:
I watched 'Prisoner and Escort" (The Porridge pilot) the other night.
The train left St.Pancras to Carlisle (eh ?) then all of a sudden they are on the WCML as they mention stations.
They arrive at Carlisle which isn't - more like a rural station and arrive in a 1st gen DMU!
It is noted throughout this that nearest station is Carlisle.

The first episode of 'Going Straight' (Porridge sequel) is more accurate with Carlisle but I think the class 86* was replaced with a class 55 en-route, then I think an 86* again.
(*some AL anyway)
I suspect that the scene with the DMU in "Prisoner and Escort" was filmed at one of the stations on the Windermere branch (or possibly the Cumbrian Coast or the Settle & Carlisle).

Talking of Ronnie Barker (and Ronnie Corbett) the Two Ronnies did a series called Stop, You're Killing Me. In the first episode they travel by train from London to the fictional Devon village of Drakes Bottom. They travel in a Mark 1 compartment but they then get off a Southern Region DEMU at what I think is Groombridge station on the Tunbridge Wells-Eridge line (now the Spa Valley Railway) masquerading as Drakes Halt.

The 2005ish film Last Passenger is set on the Tonbridge-Hastings line but uses a South West Trains 4-CIG unit with SWT red seat moquette. Some SWT CIGs, VEPs and CEPs retained Network SouthEast blue moquette until withdrawal, as did all Southern and Connex South Eastern units.
 

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I suspect that the scene with the DMU in "Prisoner and Escort" was filmed at one of the stations on the Windermere branch (or possibly the Cumbrian Coast or the Settle & Carlisle).
Some online resources have the station featured in the pilot episode of "Porridge" as being Ystrad Mynach (on the Valley lines) with other outdoor scenes also being filmed in the South Wales area, and not in Cumberland.
 

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Some online resources have the station featured in the pilot episode of "Porridge" as being Ystrad Mynach (on the Valley lines) with other outdoor scenes also being filmed in the South Wales area, and not in Cumberland.
Here's a pic:s1.jpg
 

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I confess to being a little put out at ITV's The ABC Murders not using GWR stock or the real Churston, given that both should have been possible.

The GNER-liveried rake at Kings Cross in the last Harry Potter was a rather nice anachronism.

And, whilst I offer bouquets for the reappearance of Rail Alphabet signage at the eponymous station in Paddington, may I offer brickbats for the choice of a stock photo of random continental carriages appearing on the posters...
 

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I've just watched a thing about that, it wasn't CGI!
Not accurate stock by a long chalk.

Slightly OT:
I watched 'Prisoner and Escort" (The Porridge pilot) the other night.
The train left St.Pancras to Carlisle (eh ?) then all of a sudden they are on the WCML as they mention stations.
They arrive at Carlisle which isn't - more like a rural station and arrive in a 1st gen DMU!
It is noted throughout this that nearest station is Carlisle.

The first episode of 'Going Straight' (Porridge sequel) is more accurate with Carlisle but I think the class 86* was replaced with a class 55 en-route, then I think an 86* again.
(*some AL anyway)
The station where they alighted off the DMU was Ystrad Mynach, supposedly made to look like Cumbria

I've seen a programme on GOLD, which was about the making of Porridge
 

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Casualty last year had someone fall under a train at 'Holby City', which was quite clearly a heritage railway, and the train comprised of ex. GX stock, perhaps even a MLV or GLV at the front, and a 73 at the rear.
 

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If I recall correctly, the first Harry Potter film, set in 1991 had newer stock on the platforms at KGX than the last one, with Mk2s on the platforms in the last one, in the scene set in 2017, in GNER livery no less. That’s why I think some rail experts or at least enthusiasts should be used in films with trains.
 

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Casualty last year had someone fall under a train at 'Holby City', which was quite clearly a heritage railway, and the train comprised of ex. GX stock, perhaps even a MLV or GLV at the front, and a 73 at the rear.
That would be the Barry Tourist Railway at Barry Island. That's local to where the programme is produced.
 
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