Twilight/final non-PRM Class 321 workings

[50002Superb]

Understood, thanks again

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Sadly, I finished work to late to see 409 and 447 go off for storage, I make it 23 non-prm units left in service or warm store, or alternating between the two

On my travels yesterday, I saw the following:

409 13.33 LST-SOV
421 13.47 LST - BTR
423 13.02 LST-IPS

333 13.05 CLT - LST
335 13.10 SOV-LST
336 13.30 SOV - LST

Then I had 406 18.05 CLT - LST

Red doomed 440+441 were together stabled at Clacton

406 and 409 are the last ex-FCC purple units

 

[warwickshire]

Sadly, I finished work to late to see 409 and 447 go off for storage, I make it 23 non-prm units left in service or warm store, or alternating between the two

On my travels yesterday, I saw the following:

409 13.33 LST-SOV
421 13.47 LST - BTR
423 13.02 LST-IPS

333 13.05 CLT - LST
335 13.10 SOV-LST
336 13.30 SOV - LST

Then I had 406 18.05 CLT - LST

Red doomed 440+441 were together stabled at Clacton

406 and 409 are the last ex-FCC purple units

410 and 447 went for storage.
440 was at ilford E.M.U.D earlier on in the yard.
However further information to this 321339 was on the 1617 London liverpool Street to Walton on the naze with a retanus 321. Instead off a 720.
Meanwhile 321421 mentioned on 1347 London liverpool Street to braintree which forms 1500 back to London liverpool Street. Again vice a 720.
321336 was the 1600 braintree to London liverpool Street as booked.
Also out was 321430 321426 321427 x3 silver 321 units.
I haven't seen 321424 some time.
However when passing ilford E.M.U.D Depot at 1000 am 321308 321337 321440 was in yard.
321440 must have arrived at clacton in the afternoon.

 

[boiledbeans2]

How can I easily identify a non-PRM unit without looking at the train numbers?

Are all non-Renatus units also non-PRM?

 

[ScotRail158725]

How can I easily identify a non-PRM unit without looking at the train numbers?

Are all non-Renatus units also non-PRM?

Non PRM units are the native Greater Anglia units that are non renatus. The ex Northern 321/322s are PRM compliant but aren’t renatus units.

The livery you can use to identify them

 

[Islineclear3_1]

How can I easily identify a non-PRM unit without looking at the train numbers?

Are all non-Renatus units also non-PRM?

Renatus units have windows that don't open (i.e. no droplights at the top). They have a distinguished livery with a red stripe running along the length of each carriage. One of the driving coaches has a toilet; you can see the window externally

The non-PRM units are (mostly) in base white livery. There are 2 left in a silver/grey livery. They have opening droplights in the windows

Most of the non-Renatus units are non-PRM; however, the all-blue ones with wrap around yellow fronts are PRM and are numbered 321.901-3 and 322.481-5

 

[Class360/1]

You can also identify the ex northern bin units (321/9 and 322) because of their blue livery and droplight hopper windows

 

[Milo T.K]

There are also a couple of ex fcc units that are non prm still going about

 

[warwickshire]

There are also a couple of ex fcc units that are non prm still going about

Only 321406 321409

 

[boiledbeans2]

Thanks for your replies.
In summary, if it isn't Renatus and isn't in Northern blue, then it's a non-PRM unit.

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Thanks for your replies.
In summary, if it isn't Renatus and isn't in Northern blue, then it's a non-PRM unit.

Yes

 

[ScotRail158725]

Only 321406 321409

the latter being paired to 322484 and probably so until it gets withdrawn

 

[Class360/1]

the latter being paired to 322484 and probably so until it gets withdrawn

Yh it has been paired to together for months now! Are a good pair

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Anyone know what the last passenger workings were for the following please?


321.332
321.340
321.341

321.407
321.410
321.419
321.429
321.440
321.441
321.447

Thanks for any info

 

[ScotRail158725]

Anyone know what the last passenger workings were for the following please?


321.332
321.340
321.341

321.407
321.410
321.419
321.429
321.440
321.441
321.447

Thanks for any info

440/441/447 are away in storage now

 

[warwickshire]

440/441/447 are away in storage now

With 321410 also gone with 321447 on Friday 19th November 2021.
However twice in a row train has left clacton C.S.D two hours later than booked.

 

[Islineclear3_1]

440/441/447 are away in storage now

Yes I know.

Which is why I'm asking if anyone has their last passenger workings before being stood down...

 

[warwickshire]

Anyone know what the last passenger workings were for the following please?


321.332
321.340
321.341

321.407
321.410
321.419
321.429
321.440
321.441
321.447

Thanks for any info

321447 Friday 23rd October on a am peak London liverpool Street to colchester and return.
321407 321332 would have been late April 2021 when had for haulage to southend and braintree.
However early mid may to mid June both was warm store ie 332 clacton and 407 colchester in the station bay. Up side to Mark's tey direction both ended early may.
321429 was end may 2021. Around last Tuesday final week may on southends
Because final Friday may 2021.
Went with 321432 to clacton csd vstp move around 1115 am at shenfield platform one.
321419. End April 2021 also had on a trip to colchester town.
That one was most certainly from then shortly afterwards to June 2021
when it went to worksop store initially before going to wolverton was in the famous exact spot which now 321340 respectively resides in.

 

[childwallblues]

Being from the north it is great to see the ex Northern units 321901-3 and 322481-5 getting so much work. In their last years with Northern with the exception of DON-LDS which required two units they only ever seemed to be seen on peak hour workings. At Stratford on Thursday I saw all except I think 322484 out in service.

 

[Wivenswold]

Being from the north it is great to see the ex Northern units 321901-3 and 322481-5 getting so much work. In their last years with Northern with the exception of DON-LDS which required two units they only ever seemed to be seen on peak hour workings. At Stratford on Thursday I saw all except I think 322484 out in service.

Weird that the 322s have been the most nomadic of the 320/321/322 family and their Northern stablemates, the 321/9s were stuck on the same route for 30 years.

 

[warwickshire]

Weird that the 322s have been the most nomadic of the 320/321/322 family and their Northern stablemates, the 321/9s were stuck on the same route for 30 years.

Agree also the 3224 have done it all Stansted Express. East Anglia routes from liverpool Street.
Northern leeds. Manchester airport to London euston.
Manchester Piccadilly to crewe. Semi peak hour am and pm.
Know as the br rail house commuter. Ie for the br rail house in Manchester Piccadilly.
Also scotrail Glasgow to north berwick and Dunbar.
Legends. For travel.

 

[Mag_seven]

Can we stick to discussing non PRM Class 321s in this thread please.

The forum has plenty of capacity for separate threads to be started on other EMU Classes.

Thanks

 

[warwickshire]

321340 is still on the buffers at clacton C.S.D. Thorpe le soken end since early October 2021.
However 321339. Has now taken the place from 321441.
In the middle yard next to the shed was 321337. All had pantographs up.
However a 720 was keeping it company alongside. Pity it wasn't the final few days for the 720.
Also 321324 with 321423 and 321901 was all attached together full view from sidings next to the platform.
So only possibly at least two or three maybe warm store.
However 321430 321424 321427 was active.
Also active was 321406. 321433 321421 321434 321336 321333 321338 321335 .quite a large step down from the past fortnight since I last visited.
However 11 units in service.
Don't forget since then around 5 diagrams have changed hands so about around about 16 units for 16 diagrams with some spares with around 22 left so it does tally.
Also around the side off ilford E.M.U.D Depot looking out cold is a unidentified non white prm to far to get number.

 

[Islineclear3_1]

321340 is still on the buffers at clacton C.S.D. Thorpe le soken end since early October 2021.
However 321339. Has now taken the place from 321441.
In the middle yard next to the shed was 321337. All had pantographs up.
However a 720 was keeping it company alongside. Pity it wasn't the final few days for the 720.
Also 321324 with 321423 and 321901 was all attached together full view from sidings next to the platform.
So only possibly at least two or three maybe warm store.
However 321430 321424 321427 was active.
Also active was 321406. 321433 321421 321434 321336 321333 321338 321335 .quite a large step down from the past fortnight since I last visited.
However 11 units in service.
Don't forget since then around 5 diagrams have changed hands so about around about 16 units for 16 diagrams with some spares with around 22 left so it does tally.
Also around the side off ilford E.M.U.D Depot looking out cold is a unidentified non white prm to far to get number.

Thanks for update.

Could it be any of 341/342/343?

 

[warwickshire]

Thanks for update.

Could it be any of 341/342/343?

321342 was also active checked mobile phone it worked a am southend earlier on.
It then subsitiued for a 720 due to fatality early ecs from orient way. Then got caught up in the 745 incident at shenfield.
321342 then went ecs to southend from shenfield due to being sent back.
321409 also out but very very late on a pm service from London liverpool Street due to the ongoing issues at shenfield.
321341 haven't seen.
Maybe 321343 is lurking at ilford E.M.U.D then.

 

[ScotRail158725]

How many diagrams are changing over to 720s with the December timetable change? Are the non PRM ones expected to last the few weeks after?

 

[Milo T.K]

720s are better end of

321340 is still on the buffers at clacton C.S.D. Thorpe le soken end since early October 2021.
However 321339. Has now taken the place from 321441.
In the middle yard next to the shed was 321337. All had pantographs up.
However a 720 was keeping it company alongside. Pity it wasn't the final few days for the 720.
Also 321324 with 321423 and 321901 was all attached together full view from sidings next to the platform.
So only possibly at least two or three maybe warm store.
However 321430 321424 321427 was active.
Also active was 321406. 321433 321421 321434 321336 321333 321338 321335 .quite a large step down from the past fortnight since I last visited.
However 11 units in service.
Don't forget since then around 5 diagrams have changed hands so about around about 16 units for 16 diagrams with some spares with around 22 left so it does tally.
Also around the side off ilford E.M.U.D Depot looking out cold is a unidentified non white prm to far to get number.

How many diagrams are changing over to 720s with the December timetable change? Are the non PRM ones expected to last the few weeks after?

From what I heard the non PRM 321s are going when the timetable change happens

 

[Railperf]

Early departures from Liverpool Street seemingly 321s today - the 0736 Colchester Town, 0747 Braintree and 0755 Southend Vic

 

[greaterangrier]

Departures from Liv St
0818 1N12, PRM + non-PRM
0847 1F16 PRM + non-PRM
0915 2K24 PRM + non-PRM
1002 1Y12 PRM + PRM
1015 2K30 PRM + non-PRM
1032 1K32 PRM + non-PRM
1046 1F20 PRM + non-PRM
1118 1N18 PRM + PRM
1133 1K38 PRM + non-PRM
1136 2F32 PRM + non-PRM
1155 1K40 PRM + non-PRM
1202 1Y16 PRM + non-PRM
1255 1K46 PRM + non-PRM
1315 2K48 PRM + non-PRM
1333 1K50 PRM + non-PRM
1415 2K54 PRM + non-PRM
1447 1F28 PRM + non-PRM
1502 1Y22 PRM + PRM
1536 2F68 PRM + non-PRM
1547 1F30 PRM + non-PRM
1555 1K64 PRM + non-PRM
1615 2K66 PRM + non-PRM

 

[class321]

Departures from Liv St
0818 1N12, PRM + non-PRM
0847 1F16 PRM + non-PRM
0915 2K24 PRM + non-PRM
1002 1Y12 PRM + PRM
1015 2K30 PRM + non-PRM
1032 1K32 PRM + non-PRM
1046 1F20 PRM + non-PRM
1118 1N18 PRM + PRM
1133 1K38 PRM + non-PRM
1136 2F32 PRM + non-PRM
1155 1K40 PRM + non-PRM
1202 1Y16 PRM + non-PRM
1255 1K46 PRM + non-PRM
1315 2K48 PRM + non-PRM
1333 1K50 PRM + non-PRM
1415 2K54 PRM + non-PRM
1447 1F28 PRM + non-PRM
1502 1Y22 PRM + PRM
1536 2F68 PRM + non-PRM
1547 1F30 PRM + non-PRM
1555 1K64 PRM + non-PRM
1615 2K66 PRM + non-PRM

is 16:15 the last 321 for the day?