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Thank you, Carl and Wazoo for your feedback. To me, the situation feels like a compound of small failures which could usually be worked around. Enthusiastic independent council members seem likely to have devised a wishlist which staff haven't told them they can't afford. It has then been tendered in a rushed fashion with no consideration to operational reality. I can't help feel that bus operators will end up being blamed for it regardless.
 
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A good column on the NSC bus route tenders. I wonder what will become of the 672 now.

Dave
I have rewritten the reference to the 672 to try and clarify the situation. The contract is (was?) a B&NES issued contract, to which NSC pay (or have traditionally paid) a contribution to cover the sections of route via Blagdon and Dundry. It is now managed by WECA, so presumably they are now bearing the full financial burden of providing the service. I don't have the details to hand as i'm not in the office today, but i believe that 672 is expected to be retendered this year.
 

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Could I remind everyone that alphabet soup is not permitted here - please define your acronyms and abbreviations :)
 

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I have rewritten the reference to the 672 to try and clarify the situation. The contract is (was?) a B&NES issued contract, to which NSC pay (or have traditionally paid) a contribution to cover the sections of route via Blagdon and Dundry. It is now managed by WECA, so presumably they are now bearing the full financial burden of providing the service. I don't have the details to hand as i'm not in the office today, but i believe that 672 is expected to be retendered this year.
B&NES is Bath and North Eastern Somerset Council
 

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picking up on Citistar's post about North Somerset tenders, I see that today HCT have registered
53 Clevedon local M-F
54 Airport - Cleeve - Yatton - Clevedon M-S
55 Airport - Felton - Winford - Whitchurch Asda M-S

 

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Where have the days of operation been derived from?
 

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picking up on Citistar's post about North Somerset tenders, I see that today HCT have registered
53 Clevedon local M-F
54 Airport - Cleeve - Yatton - Clevedon M-S
55 Airport - Felton - Winford - Whitchurch Asda M-S
Surprisingly Stagecoach West have picked up the Portishead locals.

Portishead Bus Services



From 1st April 2021, we’re pleased to be running buses around Portishead in partnership with North Somerset Council.



This includes the following:



  • Service 57 – Portishead Sainsburys to Wetlands Lane via Brampton Way


  • Service 58 – Portishead Sainsburys to Redcliffe Bay via Beach Hill


  • Service 59 – Portishead to Nailsea via Portbury


These services will replace the 88 which was previously run by Carmel Coaches.



You can view the new timetable by clicking here. We look forward to welcoming you on board.
 

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Are the tender results online anywhere? Nothing on the Travelwest site at present, or on TravelineSW last time I looked.

Dave
 

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Are the tender results online anywhere? Nothing on the Travelwest site at present, or on TravelineSW last time I looked.

Dave
Don't be daft. This is North Somerset.

The only other thing i have been told so far is that the three Weston town services (Worlebury, South Road and Bleadon) are to be operated commercially, which i suspect mean there is some fiddle going on with North Somerset Council paying money through some other fund to Weston Community Transport to maintain the routes.

I've heard nothing about the proposed route D from the tender (Airport - Wrington - Blagdon - Winscombe - Locking Parklands - WsM), although the longer the silence lasts, the more likely it becomes that it'll be going to their tinpot S19/S22 operations and then the council staff will complain about how few people are using a slam door Transit with a bit of A4 stuffed down at the bottom of the windscreen. For that matter, HCT are hardly a beacon of commercialising bus services (as the tender suggested NSC was hoping them to be within the three year tenure).
 

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Does anyone have the registrations of Turners Coachways new vehicles in Bristol, such as the VanHools, VDLs etc?
 
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Still can't find anything on the Weston services, all I can find is a change to the 134!
Yes. Both the timetable and route for the 134 are wrong, as expected. For the correct timetable, see citistar.co.uk.

North Somerset have added the Stagecoach services 57-59 around Portishead and the HCT services 53-55 Clevedon - Airport - Whitchurch. Interestingly, they haven't added end dates yet to the Carmel services 88 and A5 on the National PTI dataset, although they have definitely been deregistered. Given we are now less than three weeks from services potentially starting, i would guess the Weston Community Transport routes are remaining as they are although now apparently running "commercially".

As for the tendered service between the Airport and Weston via Wrington, Blagdon and Winscombe, nothing has yet been announced. Wrington Parish Council have put on their website that NSC have told them they "no intention" to leave them without a bus service. Who knows what is happening in the secretive lads club of the council's transport department?
 

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Yes. Both the timetable and route for the 134 are wrong, as expected. For the correct timetable, see citistar.co.uk.

North Somerset have added the Stagecoach services 57-59 around Portishead and the HCT services 53-55 Clevedon - Airport - Whitchurch. Interestingly, they haven't added end dates yet to the Carmel services 88 and A5 on the National PTI dataset, although they have definitely been deregistered. Given we are now less than three weeks from services potentially starting, i would guess the Weston Community Transport routes are remaining as they are although now apparently running "commercially".

As for the tendered service between the Airport and Weston via Wrington, Blagdon and Winscombe, nothing has yet been announced. Wrington Parish Council have put on their website that NSC have told them they "no intention" to leave them without a bus service. Who knows what is happening in the secretive lads club of the council's transport department?
It's reassuring that the governments buses announcement yesterday suggests that the same lads club will be even more in control of what bus companies can do in the future. What could possibly go wrong!
 

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According to the North Somerset Times

Weston routes have also been confirmed by operators, First West of England to South Road, Worlebury and Bleadon from April 11. However, the full details of these have not been decided yet.

These will replace North Somerset Connect's B1, C1, C2, and L1 services in the town. Sourcing is also being carried out for routes in Sandford, Walton Bay, Blagdon and Langford though nothing has been finalised.
 

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"Nothing has been finalised" ... Less than three weeks before they're due to start and three weeks after they should have been registered. We really should give local government more responsibility, as they do such a good job of the things they're already charged with.
 

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"Nothing has been finalised" ... Less than three weeks before they're due to start and three weeks after they should have been registered. We really should give local government more responsibility, as they do such a good job of the things they're already charged with.
My grandson has just moved to Yatton this week , and we were pleased to see there was going to be a bus service to Clevedon again , in addition to your weekly service , so that his mother or I would not need to drive him to school in Clevedon. However in spite of representations by the school North Somerset have timed the service 54 to get to and leave school either 45 minutes too early or 45 minutes too late. Great job !
 

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My grandson has just moved to Yatton this week , and we were pleased to see there was going to be a bus service to Clevedon again , in addition to your weekly service , so that his mother or I would not need to drive him to school in Clevedon. However in spite of representations by the school North Somerset have timed the service 54 to get to and leave school either 45 minutes too early or 45 minutes too late. Great job !
It may have changed since, but when I was a schoolboy Yatton was in the Backwell School catchment area and there were dedicated school buses. Claverham Coaches ran them I think.
 

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It may have changed since, but when I was a schoolboy Yatton was in the Backwell School catchment area and there were dedicated school buses. Claverham Coaches ran them I think.
Yes , this is still the case , except that the coaches are now run by Blue Iris / Glenvic. My grandson is in the sixth form at Clevedon School having been there since he was 11 and does not want to change schools at this late stage. There are a few students from Yatton who go to Clevedon , who have had problems since the X7 was withdrawn.
 

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Yes , this is still the case , except that the coaches are now run by Blue Iris / Glenvic. My grandson is in the sixth form at Clevedon School having been there since he was 11 and does not want to change schools at this late stage. There are a few students from Yatton who go to Clevedon , who have had problems since the X7 was withdrawn.
Although we're heading a little off topic, there has been some chat on the Yatton Faceache group in the past regarding a minibus between Yatton and Clevedon School. I have no idea whether this is an NSC procured one, or done through the school. Perhaps the local councillor who is so proud to take ownership of this project should be made aware of its shortcomings.
 

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Although we're heading a little off topic, there has been some chat on the Yatton Faceache group in the past regarding a minibus between Yatton and Clevedon School. I have no idea whether this is an NSC procured one, or done through the school. Perhaps the local councillor who is so proud to take ownership of this project should be made aware of its shortcomings.
Thanks Andy. I know that Clevedon school set the minibus run up themselves when the X7 stopped , as I spoke to one of the governors about the licensing issues. The school also paid Carmel Bristol to run the service around Clevedon for a few weeks when Coombs stopped running the 985 , but could not justify the net cost. All done with no help from North Somerset.
 

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As for the tendered service between the Airport and Weston via Wrington, Blagdon and Winscombe, nothing has yet been announced. Wrington Parish Council have put on their website that NSC have told them they "no intention" to leave them without a bus service. Who knows what is happening in the secretive lads club of the council's transport department?
56, perhaps?
 

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