What New RTR models would you like to see in OO gauge

[reddragon]

Having returned to railway modelling after a 20 year break, I am amazed by the huge range available today and shocked on some of the prices!

I have read about fights between big online retailers and manufacturers breaking agreements and duplicating models.

It amazes me that almost every Diesel, Electric & Stream loco every made seems to be available in every livery.

Whilst manufacturers seem to fight over tank engines, Mk1 coaches and certain diesels, the modern multiple unit seems to be almost totally absent.

I would like to see modern units, class 165/166/168, 175,180,185,195 etc, EMUs Bombardier, Siemens, Stadler etc and some old ones class 303/309s.

What would you like to see?

 

[Iskra]

I'd like to see a modern Clan Class and 8F. The prices which second hand Hornby Clan classes change hands at is eye watering.

I agree about the units, although Bachmann did some of those Chiltern units you have mentioned, so you could possibly pick one up second hand somewhere. Bachmann have a Chiltern 168 up and coming apparently too.

For modern stuff, I would like a Caledonian Sleeper class 73.

 

[Peter C]

I was thinking about this earlier actually, and I've got a few:

- GWR Steam Railmotor and Autotrailer, preferably the Didcot one
- Class 802 for a reasonable price (£400 for an 800 is too much)
- Class 444/455 (SWT preferably)
- Class 700
- Any Southern Region unit we don't have yet!

-Peter

EDIT: Also anything Broad Gauge, such as "Fire Fly" or "Iron Duke", with Broad Gauge track to match, and definitely the GWR's "The Great Bear". Along with any other GWR steam engine we've not yet got!

 

[Cowley]

Also anything Broad Gauge, such as "Fire Fly" or "Iron Duke", with Broad Gauge track to match, and definitely the GWR's "The Great Bear". Along with any other GWR steam engine we've not yet got!

That’s an interesting idea.
Are you thinking of broad gauge stock running on standard 00 gauge track?
I could actually see myself buying some of that.
We’d need Peco to produce some Baulk Road flexi track though. Mmm...

 

[Peter C]

That’s an interesting idea.
Are you thinking of broad gauge stock running on standard 00 gauge track?
I could actually see myself buying some of that.
We’d need Peco to produce some Baulk Road flexi track though. Mmm...

Either that or someone like Peco making Broad Gauge in 1:76 scale - maybe even with fancy bits (technical term) with Broad and Standard Gauge like at Didcot!

-Peter

 

[reddragon]

You can get dual gauge Lego track from https://trixbrix.eu/en_US/c/Narrow-Gauge/26

It also annoys me that a variety of HSTs have been made, but now are silly money on ebay, and new models are £300 each. Why no Railroad ex Lima sets? Then there have been modern units, classes 165/166, 220, 466 etc no longer available etc.

My biggest gripe is simple modern wagons at £30-50 each! Why can they not remake the old Lima wagons (TEA, Seacow, box) at sensible prices so I can make a proper 20-30 wagon rake?

The failure to have the class 800 series, inc 801,802 etc available is a joke.

Peter I agree with you on Southern units, EMUs without the need for wires. I have got a 401, 403, 423, 450 & 466. Next is the 402. The Bachmann units are still silly money at over £100 per coach.

Now a 319/769 unit would be something to make. Surprised nobody has done a 442 though.

Maybe we need a poll?

 

[raetiamann]

To address the desperate shortage of modern 3rd rail sets and not in any particular order -

A) A SWT 444 to match their current 450
B) any other SWT EMU, to build a TOC fleet
C) Electrostar, so many variations could be produced.

 

[Mark G]

Blue/grey class 304/310

 

[reddragon]

To address the desperate shortage of modern 3rd rail sets and not in any particular order -

A) A SWT 444 to match their current 450
B) any other SWT EMU, to build a TOC fleet
C) Electrostar, so many variations could be produced.

Add to that class 700,717 and 701 and of course Electrostars, so many options corridor WM172s, 375, 377, 379, 387 and maybe 357, 376, 378 and Gautrain and more 170/171/172s

Blue/grey class 304/310

Very niche

303s are distinctive, 305s got around more and 309s?

 

[hexagon789]

British
1. Class 126
2. Modern standard Mk2d coaches to match the modern Mk2e and f stock recently produced

Irish
1. Fully prototypically accurate Irish Mk3s
2. Park Royal coaches
3. Laminates

I think that broadly covers my requirements!

 

[Bevan Price]

Some models have become almost unaffordable - I think part of the problem is that many modellers want "super-detail" exact copies, rather than the "close approximations" commonly sold in the past. As for steam - there are still many classes that have not (recently) been available in "ready to run" condition, and the choice is so wide that no supplier can hope to please everybody. GWR locos seem to be very well represented, but if produced at affordable prices. my preferences would include:

LMSR & constituents:
Stanier & Fowler 3MT 2-6-2T
ex-L&YR 0-6-0s (Aspinall 3F & Barton Wright 2F)
ex L&YR 0-6-0ST (Barton Wright / Aspinall rebuild)
ex L&YR 4-6-0 (Hughes)
ex L&YR 4-4-2 (Aspinall)
ex LNWR 0-6-0 ("Cauliflower)
ex LNWR 4-6-0 "Prince of Wales"
ex LNWR 4-4-0 "Precursor"
ex Cal.R 4-4-0 (Pickersgill)
ex Cal.R. 0-6-0 (McIntosh)

LNER & constituents
A5 & A8 4-6-2T
B16 4-6-0
C13, C12 4-4-2T
D1, D9, D20 & D34 4-4-0
J6, J10, J17 0-6-0
N5, N15 0-6-2T

 

[Dava]

Did anyone actually ask Hornby to make a Gresley W1 4-6-4?

Dava

 

[David Goddard]

Bachmann were planning a re-release of the 166, in GWR Green, but this was shelved in a review at the end of last year. The revamped 158 came out around last Christmas, and the 150 is expected in early 2021.

With Bachmann having produced, and more recently retooled, the lovely Class 168/170/171 Turbostar model, one would think that it would not be beyond the realms of their development team to take this further and produce Electrostars as well, certainly the earlier variants which have a similar shell, filling a huge gap for the modern image Southern region modeller.

Likewise it would be great if they could take the base of the 150 tooling further to produce models of the popular and numerous class 317/455 units, and this could lead to the 319, and 321/456 too, although I appreciate that others (Bratchell in particular) have gone down this road before.

Hornby have always been less prominent with units, particularly EMUs, with the only modern image EMU releases in the last quarter century being the 466 over 20 years ago, the 395 about a decade back and most recently the 800s.

 

[reddragon]

Did anyone actually ask Hornby to make a Gresley W1 4-6-4?

Dava

But it is a good looking loco!

Bachmann were planning a re-release of the 166, in GWR Green, but this was shelved in a review at the end of last year. The revamped 158 came out around last Christmas, and the 150 is expected in early 2021.

With Bachmann having produced, and more recently retooled, the lovely Class 168/170/171 Turbostar model, one would think that it would not be beyond the realms of their development team to take this further and produce Electrostars as well, certainly the earlier variants which have a similar shell, filling a huge gap for the modern image Southern region modeller.

Likewise it would be great if they could take the base of the 150 tooling further to produce models of the popular and numerous class 317/455 units, and this could lead to the 319, and 321/456 too, although I appreciate that others (Bratchell in particular) have gone down this road before.

Hornby have always been less prominent with units, particularly EMUs, with the only modern image EMU releases in the last quarter century being the 466 over 20 years ago, the 395 about a decade back and most recently the 800s.

Perhaps Hornby & Bachmann could have a voting system where you vote for what you want, then the winners you have to put a refundable deposit on and those which get enough orders are produced.

Also, as much as I like a £200 super detailed loco in reality a £100 good version is often good enough. Whilst the RR versus detailed coaches are OK, the issue gets bigger with wagons with £40 super detailed wagons and no £20 just good (like old Lima / Mainline) wagons when you want to make up a full rake. Imagine the cost of a full length rake of wagons!

 

[David Goddard]

Also, as much as I like a £200 super detailed loco in reality a £100 good version is often good enough.

Which is where some degree of duplication is OK, ie Realtrack's fine detail 156 vs Hornby's ex Lima one- both good in their own way.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Add to that class 700,717 and 701 and of course Electrostars, so many options corridor WM172s, 375, 377, 379, 387 and maybe 357, 376, 378 and Gautrain and more 170/171/172s



Very niche

303s are distinctive, 305s got around more and 309s?

The 304/305/308 body style would be worth doing, as it would also allow a 504 Bury unit version... Heljan seem to specialise in very niche models (07, 14, 17, 23, 128, Park Royal Railbus, Falcon...) so I wouldn't put it past them. Personally I'd like to see a 141 in model form, I've looked into the possibility of fettling one up out of a Hornby 142 and a couple of Modelscene Leyland National kits, but it'll take some work which might well be beyond me.

Sticking with units, I always thought 104s were attractive units so wouldn't mind one of those. Likewise the Trans-Pennine 124s (which I believe Trix(?) did a model of back in the 1970s) would be a great model if a more modern version was available.

 

[Journeyman]

Hornby could easily do a 104, the bodies are largely identical to the 110, so it would only take a minor retooling.

 

[reddragon]

Whilst I think the priority needs to be modern stock, in particular EMUs for older fans I'd go for

Southern - Leader class
LMS - Big Bertha and early diesel shunters, jack-shaft etc and old Merseyside & North London EMUs
LNER - Streamlined B17; U1 and streamlined P2 - NER electric locos 1-13 and Tyneside articulated EMUs
BR - 10100, 11001

haha, there

 

[Cowley]

Whilst I think the priority needs to be modern stock, in particular EMUs for older fans I'd go for

Southern - Leader class
LMS - Big Bertha and early diesel shunters, jack-shaft etc and old Merseyside & North London EMUs
LNER - Streamlined B17; U1 and streamlined P2 - NER electric locos 1-13 and Tyneside articulated EMUs
BR - 10100, 11001

haha, there

I tell you what though. It’s amazing looking at some of these wish lists and realising how few things haven’t actually been made in the last couple of decades.

 

[reddragon]

I was thinking about this earlier actually, and I've got a few:

- GWR Steam Railmotor and Autotrailer, preferably the Didcot one
- Class 802 for a reasonable price (£400 for an 800 is too much)
- Class 444/455 (SWT preferably)
- Class 700
- Any Southern Region unit we don't have yet!

-Peter

EDIT: Also anything Broad Gauge, such as "Fire Fly" or "Iron Duke", with Broad Gauge track to match, and definitely the GWR's "The Great Bear". Along with any other GWR steam engine we've not yet got!

Kernow Models

Kernow Model Rail Centre

www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com

GWR Rail Steam motor coming soon, the Didcot one!

 

[FrodshamJnct]

I’d like to see Hornby do an 802 in TPE livery. I don’t think there are that many differences from the 800 body.

 

[43055]

I’d like to see Hornby do an 802 in TPE livery. I don’t think there are that many differences from the 800 body.

The TPE 802 is mentioned in the 2020 catalogue but clearly they have not being done this year. Maybe the Scottish Azuma took its place. The Hull Trains 802 would complete the lot.

 

[IanXC]

There's a distinct lack of TPE units available, 170s and 350s both come to mind as potentially achievable.

 

[Islineclear3_1]

I am still waiting for my Bachmann 2 Hap although not happy that my original order got cancelled and the price shot up.

I would like to see a Bulleid 2Hap/EPB and a re-release of Bachmann's Post Office liveried MLV

A northeastern EPB/Tyneside unit would be interesting too...

 

[DB]

I've no idea about steam stuff (not my area of interest), but it's now reaching the point where pretty much every diesel and electric loco has been done in OO gauge with a handful of exceptions (Class 88 being the most obvious one, plus some long-gone electric locos).

Diesel Multiple units likewise have mostly been done. The big gap so far as anyone in the north is concerned is the 185 - I'm really surprised that this hasn't been done, given that it's a short unit and would be pretty much guaranteed to sell well.

Some of the newer classes of DMU haven't been done yet (e.g. the CAF ones), but I guess they probably will be in time, especially as there are variants in various parts of the country.

EMUs are more patchy - no doubt seen as more niche-interest. I don't buy many models these days, but one I would get if it appeared is a 333 as these are the 'local' units. However, given that they are a small class and have a very restricted area of operation (there are also the 332s which are nearly the same, but those are also a small class with very restricted area of operation), I rather doubt if they would be seen as commercially viable by the main manufacturers.

N Gauge is more patchy, but actually most of the main diesel and electric loco classes have been done, although some of the electric models are now a bit old and basic. There's a good selection of DMUs too - although again no 185.

 

[raetiamann]

I've no idea about steam stuff (not my area of interest), but it's now reaching the point where pretty much every diesel and electric loco has been done in OO gauge with a handful of exceptions (Class 88 being the most obvious one, plus some long-gone electric locos).

Diesel Multiple units likewise have mostly been done. The big gap so far as anyone in the north is concerned is the 185 - I'm really surprised that this hasn't been done, given that it's a short unit and would be pretty much guaranteed to sell well.

Some of the newer classes of DMU haven't been done yet (e.g. the CAF ones), but I guess they probably will be in time, especially as there are variants in various parts of the country.

EMUs are more patchy - no doubt seen as more niche-interest. I don't buy many models these days, but one I would get if it appeared is a 333 as these are the 'local' units. However, given that they are a small class and have a very restricted area of operation (there are also the 332s which are nearly the same, but those are also a small class with very restricted area of operation), I rather doubt if they would be seen as commercially viable by the main manufacturers.

N Gauge is more patchy, but actually most of the main diesel and electric loco classes have been done, although some of the electric models are now a bit old and basic. There's a good selection of DMUs too - although again no 185.

I'd suggest there are quite a few DMUs still to be covered and some that have been available are in need of updating /releasing. As for the newer EMU scene there is only the 350/450 Desiros, which means it lags way, way behind slam door stock.

 

[DB]

I'd suggest there are quite a few DMUs still to be covered and some that have been available are in need of updating /releasing. As for the newer EMU scene there is only the 350/450 Desiros, which means it lags way, way behind slam door stock.

Which DMUs are you thinking of?

I seem to remember that when the 350s were done they seemed to hang around in the shops for a long time, so perhaps that's put them off from doing other recent EMUs.

 

[reddragon]

Which DMUs are you thinking of?

I seem to remember that when the 350s were done they seemed to hang around in the shops for a long time, so perhaps that's put them off from doing other recent EMUs.

Electrostars & Aventra cover a wide area and come in short units; 185 & TP stock in general and FLIRTS too! 3 main batches to add to the Siemens units

 

[DB]

Electrostars & Aventra cover a wide area and come in short units; 185 & TP stock in general and FLIRTS too! 3 main batches to add to the Siemens units

Most of those DMUs are new so may well appear with time.

Agree that the 185s are a big gap.

 

[raetiamann]

Which DMUs are you thinking of?

I seem to remember that when the 350s were done they seemed to hang around in the shops for a long time, so perhaps that's put them off from doing other recent EMUs.

Missing DMU classes right now are 165, 166, 168-171 Turbostars (in planning but no dates given), 175, 185, 220-1 (unavailable for some years now),222 and then as been said a few new classes 195, 230 and maybe the Hydraflex models.