When Will It All Go Wrong For The Tories/ Johnson?

[nanstallon]

They pretty much always find a way to pull together in the end though because they crave being in power.
Labour on the other hand just seem to crave being right.

Yes, it will all die down in time. By 2024, the British sheep will have forgotten, and the Tory press will be doing its stuff telling them that the alternative to the Tories is communism. I still feel angry, though.

 

[nlogax]

Labour on the other hand just seem to crave being right.

Indeed. Labour still have some time before they fully recover from the nadir of Corbyn claiming they 'won the argument' in spite of being absolutely destroyed in the 2019 GE.

 

[Kez]

They pretty much always find a way to pull together in the end though because they crave being in power.

Well, it has certainly always been 'Party First' for the Tories ... I just didn't realise they took it so literally.

 

[DelayRepay]

Yes, it will all die down in time. By 2024, the British sheep will have forgotten, and the Tory press will be doing its stuff telling them that the alternative to the Tories is communism. I still feel angry, though.

I am not so sure. I think in 2024, Labour might be able to win back some of their red wall seats. Perhaps some of the Tory voters in 2019 lent their votes to the Tories to 'get Brexit done'. It is done now. Perhaps some did not like the prospect of a Corbyn led coalition with the SNP. Perhaps, in 2024, some will look at what has happened, look at their rapidly decreasing bank balance, their increased cost of living, their friends and neighbours stuck in NHS backlog waiting lists, and think maybe this country deserves a different future.

I don't think Corbyn actually wanted to win in 2019. Far easier to spend another five years in opposition, where you never have to make a difficult decision, or negotiate, or compromise about anything. Especially with the Brexit situation, as was at the time. In 2024, whoever is leading Labour has a realistic chance, I think, especially if they are willing to enter into an official or unofficial pact with the Lib Dems and Greens.

 

[nlogax]

Yes, it will all die down in time. By 2024, the British sheep will have forgotten, and the Tory press will be doing its stuff telling them that the alternative to the Tories is communism. I still feel angry, though.

There are plenty of people who still believe this current pantomime will ensure Boris Johnson's departure from Downing St before the 2024 GE. Unfortunately they're all wrong. The worry is this has truly overturned a long tradition of resigning as the 'right thing to do' when those in power have badly messed up. Consequences for actions appear to have gone out of the window.

 

[dgl]

Though if Johnson got removed by his party that might bring some morals back, or at least make resigning seem like the better option.

 

[Kez]

The worry is this has truly overturned a long tradition of resigning as the 'right thing to do' when those in power have badly messed up. Consequences for actions appear to have gone out of the window.

.... ironically from the party that is always happy to preach on about everyone taking responsibility for their actions. Clearly another rule that applies to us and not to them.

I did wonder when Johnson said at PMQs that he took 'full responsibility' what he thought that actually meant ; because it appears to me that it meant nothing at all.

 

[Typhoon]

The reputation hasn’t been helped by the bashing of Douglas Ross, the leader of the Scottish Conservatives over his calls for Boris Johnson to resign.

For Rees Mogg then to claim that the Secretary of State for Scotland is a big figure diminished his argument further. When I checked, I found it was no longer Mundell. I know I live at the other end of the country but to me, the new Secretary of State, his Welsh equivalent (again I thought it was still Cairns) and the suit they rolled out to defend the parties during the week are nobodies. I might ask what they actually do, besides chant about hospitals, police, schools and the like. Ross may be a light-weight in Rees Mogg's eyes but I have heard of him - he appears better than Carlaw; and Davidson, as you say, is worth listening to. Its a shame she's gone to the Lords.

Rees Mogg's difficulty, as is true of several members of this cabinet, is that they will struggle to get a place in anyone else's cabinet - in many cases because their incompetence appears to know no bounds. Although why Rees Mogg wants a job with little power or influence that merely requires him to be in The House a lot I have no idea.

 

[Kez]

Although why Rees Mogg wants a job with little power or influence that merely requires him to be in The House a lot I have no idea.

Since his life seems to have been devoted to cultivating an image of Victorian foppery, he does need a catwalk to parade on.

 

[Typhoon]

Since his life seems to have been devoted to cultivating an image of Victorian foppery, he does need a catwalk to parade on.

In a way he has lost that because he could be as outspoken as he liked when he was No. 1 in the ERG.

 

[DarloRich]

Wanted: Moral compass for Downing Street

BBC: Downing Street apologises to Queen over lockdown parties

Downing Street has apologised to Buckingham Palace for two staff parties in No 10 the night before Prince Philip's funeral.

The gatherings, first reported by The Telegraph, took place on 16 April 2021 and went on until the early hours.

The PM's spokesman said it was "deeply regrettable that this took place at a time of national mourning".

Downing Street apologises to Queen over lockdown parties

Two staff get-togethers took place in April last year, the night before Prince Philip's funeral.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[GusB]

For Rees Mogg then to claim that the Secretary of State for Scotland is a big figure diminished his argument further. When I checked, I found it was no longer Mundell. I know I live at the other end of the country but to me, the new Secretary of State, his Welsh equivalent (again I thought it was still Cairns) and the suit they rolled out to defend the parties during the week are nobodies. I might ask what they actually do, besides chant about hospitals, police, schools and the like. Ross may be a light-weight in Rees Mogg's eyes but I have heard of him - he appears better than Carlaw; and Davidson, as you say, is worth listening to. Its a shame she's gone to the Lords.

I'm no fan of Douglas Ross; he's my MP and I don't agree with his voting record, but he seems to be a making a reasonably good job of being a constituency MP and let's not forget that he resigned from his junior government post over the Dominic Cummings affair.

I think Rees-Mogg's problem with him is that he simply didn't go to the right school.

I'll be interested to see if Ross will put his name forward for any upcoming leadership contest.

 

[MattRat]

They pretty much always find a way to pull together in the end though because they crave being in power.
Labour on the other hand just seem to crave being right.

That's the 'optimistic' way of looking at it. I just see it as a contest to see who can be most unelectable, and I'm just waiting to see what happens on Labour's turn....

 

[johncrossley]

Johnson can do anything and still win. The only thing I can think of is if he does something that means he has to go to prison. And even then I'm not 100% sure.

 

[TwoYellas]

Thought of a twist to Beastie Boys 'Fight For Your Right'.


The journos caught us drinking and I said "No Way!"

Those hypocrites drink two flasks a day!

Being a PM is the cross I gotta bear...

"Get out of No 10 if you don't cut that hair"!

You gotta fight for your right to Parrrrrttttttttyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

Partttttttttyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

Can't pre-empt Gray's
Inquirrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

 

[dgl]

Have I Got News For You had a good thing on twitter,

Credit where credits due, it turns out the government can organise a p**s up!

 

[MattRat]

Have I Got News For You had a good thing on twitter,

Credit where credits due, it turns out the government can organise a p**s up!

Just not in the breweries

 

[dgl]

Just not in the breweries

would a brewery have enough booze to cater for a no 10 party

 

[ainsworth74]

I think Rees-Mogg's problem with him is that he simply didn't go to the right school.

It's worse than that! He went to the wrong school and has the wrong accent! Totally unsuitable for a serious role!

 

[brad465]

It's worse than that! He went to the wrong school and has the wrong accent! Totally unsuitable for a serious role!

This is one reason why he was ordered to keep quiet in the last general election campaign, along with his crass comments about Grenfell victims.

 

[AM9]

It's worse than that! He went to the wrong school and has the wrong accent! Totally unsuitable for a serious role!

Exactly, Douglas Ross would be completely lost in 18th century society.

 

[GusB]

Exactly, Douglas Ross would be completely lost in 18th century society.

He's MP for Moray, so there's still a fair bit of that around

 

[AM9]

He's MP for Moray, so there's still a fair bit of that around

Not the version that Lord Snooty exists in!

 

[Busaholic]

Since his life seems to have been devoted to cultivating an image of Victorian foppery, he does need a catwalk to parade on.

I'd fop him one if I had a chance!

 

[MattRat]

I'd fop him one if I had a chance!

I'd think it be more fun watching the Queen walk into Parliament, turn to all of them, and then just say "You're fired" like Alan Sugar. It wouldn't hurt them physically, but would damage them so severely mentally (mostly due to their fragile egos) that they'd likely never recover.

 

[nanstallon]

Where is Oliver Cromwell when we need him? "Stand not upon the manner of your departure, just go!", or words to that effect.

 

[MattRat]

Where is Oliver Cromwell when we need him? "Stand not upon the manner of your departure, just go!", or words to that effect.

Wasn't he so bad they brought back the monarchy?

 

[The Ham]

would a brewery have enough booze to cater for a no 10 party

Maybe one which occurred during a time when everyone was limiting their social interactions. Now? I'm not so sure!

 

[brad465]

YouGov have reported Johnson as now having a -52 approval rating, which is now almost as low as Corbyn's lowest rating of -55 in mid-2019, and more unpopular than May was at any given time she was PM:

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1481949280617304064

Boris Johnson is now more unpopular among the British public than Theresa May was at any point during her time as prime minister. May reached a low of -49 points on 14-15 May 2019

 

[johnnychips]

The trouble with YouGov polls is that I am not sure if they use a sound sampling method. Perhaps they do, perhaps they don’t.