It does remind me of Cameron and Osborne all over again. Cameron wasn't what you'd call good, but I'm really glad Osborne didn't take his place, as much as I loved seeing the back of Cameron.
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When Will It All Go Wrong For The Tories/ Johnson?
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I wouldn't be so sure, in the last general election in the local seat (true blue) there was a significant swing towards the Lib Dems (not enough to reduce the vote share to much below 60%, but quite a shift as previously the vote share was over 75%).
In the last local (District) elections an independent for more votes than both the Tory Councillors (effectively unseating one).
Both of which were at a time when the Tories were riding high with Johnson in charge and not when there were memes with images of "office supplies" over the alcohol in a shop or a "I'm not a robot" grid overlaid on the Downing Street garden image with the caption saying "click on all images which show that it's a party".
Whilst I don't doubt that there were many who were breaching rules, the vast majority of whom doing so would have be small scale stretching of the limits (for instance 8 people during the rule of six, meeting 2 people rather than one, etc) and not inviting 100 people to an event.
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That's actually quite funny!
Xenophon PCDGS
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Are we all thankful that Domenic Cummins, like George Washington, never told a lie and that we can all accept what he says as the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth... 
edwin_m
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Little to choose between them as far as I'm concerned. Neither is fit to hold public office.Are we all thankful that Domenic Cummins, like George Washington, never told a lie and that we can all accept what he says as the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth...
nlogax
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Sue Gray has reportedly been in contact with the two No. 10 officials who advised Johnson and his private secretary not to go ahead with the May 2020 party. As a result her report will be slightly delayed.
Practically and in of itself her report will be toothless but increasingly it appears the fallout could be historic. Bated breath etc.
Practically and in of itself her report will be toothless but increasingly it appears the fallout could be historic. Bated breath etc.
Either toothless or pin all blame of Johnson, neither of which will really change much. Oh look, we've traded one incompetent politician for another. Wow, much progress.
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I'm of the opinion that he'll try to sway most of the upcoming punches based on the 'unknowingly lied' route and try to stay in post, but these two No 10. contacts could significantly change that tactic.
Of course there are precious few current and eager Conservative politicians with the required braincells to make for a decent PM. The other thread with the poll is pretty effective in demonstrating that.
Well he's nailing his colours to the mast and doubling down...
Nobody warned me drinks event was against rules - Boris Johnson
Dominic Cummings - who claims PM lied about lockdown parties - is set to speak to Sue Gray's inquiry.
www.bbc.co.uk
brad465
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It's always difficult to pick sides when thieves fall out.Are we all thankful that Domenic Cummins, like George Washington, never told a lie and that we can all accept what he says as the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth...
gg1
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So his defence is "I'm incapable of understanding the rules I both approved and instructed the country to follow and am reliant on others to tell me if I might be breaking them"Well he's nailing his colours to the mast and doubling down...
Nobody warned me drinks event was against rules - Boris Johnson
Dominic Cummings - who claims PM lied about lockdown parties - is set to speak to Sue Gray's inquiry.www.bbc.co.uk
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I do not regard Dominic Cummings as a truthful person, but that does not mean that everything he says is automatically a lie. My opinion is that he is both sufficiently astute and sufficiently vindictive that he is being careful to make sure that what he says has no weaknesses. If he knows enough true and damaging facts, why risk it all falling flat by adding something that might be proven untrue and so wreck his whole revenge campaign.Are we all thankful that Domenic Cummins, like George Washington, never told a lie and that we can all accept what he says as the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth...
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Why didn't Johnson do like the rest of us did, sit in and watch the Prime Minister at the podium in 10 Downing St carefully explaining all the covid rules and laws to us all?
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There's a brilliant comment on the BBC article 
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"Boris sometimes seems affronted when criticised for what amounts to a gross failure of responsibility. I think he honestly believes that it is churlish of us not to regard him as an exception, one who should be free of the network of obligation which binds everyone else."
Is that a quote from last week? From 2016? No, it is from 1982, by a teacher at Eton.
:"Boris sometimes seems affronted when criticised for what amounts to a gross failure of responsibility. I think he honestly believes that it is churlish of us not to regard him as an exception, one who should be free of the network of obligation which binds everyone else."
Is that a quote from last week? From 2016? No, it is from 1982, by a teacher at Eton.
Xenophon PCDGS
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He seems to have some UK supporters over his relaxation of restrictions compared to what France is currently putting in motion.
Would it be true to say that the attendees at those gatherings were far more likely to be infected, vaccinated or not, than anyone exterior to the building in question, as may be the case?
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As I alluded to above, we all watched the PM explaining the rules on TV. Pity he didn't.....
Xenophon PCDGS
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They do say that Nero fiddled whilst Rome burnt.
Yes and quite frankly I'm very bored of being the burning Roman.
edwin_m
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They need to get the wine and cheese in for the launch party.
Strathclyder
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Nail on head. Perhaps the most concise synopsis of Boris, nay the Tories as a collective I've seen as of late.There's a brilliant comment on the BBC article
"Boris sometimes seems affronted when criticised for what amounts to a gross failure of responsibility. I think he honestly believes that it is churlish of us not to regard him as an exception, one who should be free of the network of obligation which binds everyone else."
At least he's made a political smart move for once. God, it's hard being an optimist in these times.....
Xenophon PCDGS
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Just to keep everything clear to all concerned, what exactly were the stated legal strictures that covered the offence of the type of social gatherings that form the subject of this particular thread at the time in question and can someone give an example of a case in Law that was brought against a member of the general public during that time for contravening the ruling.
brad465
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Wow, the Mary Rose Museum of all institutions has just trolled the PM (the ship sank nearly 500 years ago):
Made me laugh, but it does seem to be the thing everyone is doing. It's almost too easy. Just how the rest of those in power want it.
Well, the Coronavirus Act 2020 and a quick Google will bring up literally hundreds of enforcements, National Police Chiefs Council shows 807 fixed penalty notices handed out during the week of the Garden Work Party Event.
Well, legally it's a historic incident, plus as far as I'm aware there are exemptions for government property, someone correct me if I'm wrong. However, that does then look like one rule for them, another for us, and it becomes a political nightmare.
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Were there nothing more stringent than a fixed penalty notice available, such as a term of imprisonment?
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Who do you reckon is more likely to be telling the truth: Cummings or Johnson? With the PM it’s a case of “mouth moving, lie happening”. Cummings statements are far more credible from an initial view: you can absolutely imagine Johnson reacting as Cummings has said.Are we all thankful that Domenic Cummins, like George Washington, never told a lie and that we can all accept what he says as the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth...
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