Fitter / exam / maintenance training?Wonder why Donnington was not chosen to store this one.
Great stuff - thanks MarkBeen advised that it's 196010.
Mark
Blackballed isn’t the correct terminology to be honest. Yes there are issues with the steps & many can’t be used until CAF sort the problem out,but to be honest that’s just one item on a seemingly ever growing list of issues with the sets mainly to do with build quality, or should i say lack of!!I’ve heard they’ve been blackballed due to the steps into the driving cab not being secure.
Sounds like lessons weren’t learned from the 195/331’s.Blackballed isn’t the correct terminology to be honest. Yes there are issues with the steps & many can’t be used until CAF sort the problem out,but to be honest that’s just one item on a seemingly ever growing list of issues with the sets mainly to do with build quality, or should i say lack of!!
Seen as they are from the same family of trains and from the same manufacturer, it seems likely the issue will affect 196s too, unless they make changes to damper design on these units.Notwithstanding the already identified issues with the 196s that is preventing their introduction, is the recently identified yaw damper defect within Northern's 195 fleet likely to carry across to the WMR fleet?
highly highly doubt they'll stay with WMT permanently. chiltern don't have enough stock as it is
Plenty to be said for it - gets rid of a micro fleet and puts all the 172s in one place and maybe Chiltern's fleet needs will be different post COVID.
They didn't pre-COVID, but their commuter demand comes from the "stockbroker belt" of primarily well-off, middle-class office workers, the precise sort of people who won't want to go back to daily commuting, so it might be that post COVID they can easily cope with fewer units.
Why would Chiltern need more stock to cover? Demand has dropped massively: Chiltern, like every operator, will have spare capacity.
As predicted earlier in this thread, units are now being repainted into EMR colours and returning to service with WMR, so it seems as though WMR are pulling a TPE in order to cover the 196 delays. How long they’ll be able to keep it up though, I’m not sure - personally I think they should’ve extended the dispensation on the 153s temporarily but at the time I doubt they knew that issues would persist with the 196s...Back on topic if these 196's are not in service to the current schedule yet others demand the 170's WMR will have a major problem.
As predicted earlier in this thread, units are now being repainted into EMR colours and returning to service with WMR, so it seems as though WMR are pulling a TPE in order to cover the 196 delays. How long they’ll be able to keep it up though, I’m not sure - personally I think they should’ve extended the dispensation on the 153s temporarily but at the time I doubt they knew that issues would persist with the 196s...
I don't think there is, one of us could make one perhaps?Is there a list somewhere of the 196s that have been built so far?
Barring 001 which arrived at Donnington yesterday, I think I am as up to date with this fleet as possible at https://www.ukraillog.co.uk/175-197. I am in the process of adding the detail of 001 at the momentIs there a list somewhere of the 196s that have been built so far?
That’s brilliant, thank you so much!Barring 001 which arrived at Donnington yesterday, I think I am as up to date with this fleet as possible at https://www.ukraillog.co.uk/175-197. I am in the process of adding the detail of 001 at the moment
I’m interested to see how testing goes.Apparently testing of the two car units has now begun - 196005 ran last night on 5Q43.
I'm not sure anyone really knows now. Depending on who you ask there seems to be a range of issues which need fixing before they start driver training fully.When are these going to enter service may I ask?
Doesn’t look promising.Guess they wont be in service this year...
December 2021 is earliest I'd say but more so 2022 is likely now.Doesn’t look promising.
Wouldn’t surprise me.December 2021 is earliest I'd say but more so 2022 is likely now.
As expected (remember the year of new trains, 2019, they were all late really)Guess they wont be in service this year...
No, in a bit of a curveball, six 2-car class 196s are going to be operating the initial EWR services between Oxford and Milton Keynes when the line opens in 2025. WMR will supposedly have sufficient capacity in its fleet, due to a combination of reduced demand following coronavirus, and the fact the the class 196 fleet is larger than the class 170 fleet it's replacing.On the Modern Railways website homepage you can see the top half of the June issue, with a headline that says "West Midlands 196s bound for East West Rail". Is this for testing or something?