Thanks to a very persistent user of my forum, TfL have released the data for maximum journey times for all PAYG journeys. I have incorporated these into the results for the fare finder.
Really helpful, particularly for journeys outside the Zonal structure, where there wasn't any real guidance.Thanks to a very persistent user of my forum, TfL have released the data for maximum journey times for all PAYG journeys. I have incorporated these into the results for the fare finder.
Great news and thanks for sharing it.Thanks to a very persistent user of my forum, TfL have released the data for maximum journey times for all PAYG journeys. I have incorporated these into the results for the fare finder.
Routeing does not affect the maximum journey times.Does it not make any difference whether you are using the Default or Not Via Zone 1 route?
OK thanks. In the past I've tried to work it out by counting the number of zones not including Zone 1 so I probably had more time than I realised.Routeing does not affect the maximum journey times.
I think everything is easier to use than TfL's own systems.My thanks also, Fare Finder is excellent and easier to use than TfL's own systems!
The fact you have to navigate through about 4 or 5 pages of menus, scroll down, download and then wade through a massively long PDF to find out the daily and weekly caps beyond zone 9 on the TfL website is absolutely appalling.I think everything is easier to use than TfL's own systems.
For most of us, more than 90 minutes on the underground has long since ceased to be fun.if I were to have fun on the underground system, I would limit myself to 90 minutes as a safe measure
The case was referred to the ICO with some compelling reasons. In particular that condition 3.15 of the conditions of travel said that full information was available on the TfL website.Interesting - when I requested the journey time data about 12 months ago under FOI, TfL rejected the request under S43(2) as it would "prejudice their commercial interests", then on review, that it would also be rejected under S31(1)(a) "prevention and detection of crime". I wonder what has changed in the mean time.
3.15 Your pay as you go journey must be completed by touching out at the end of your journey
within a time limit from when you touched in at the start of your journey. The time limit varies
between 70 minutes for a Monday to Friday daytime journey within a single fare zone, up to 5
hours and 15 minutes for a longer distance journey on a Sunday or public holiday. Full
information is provided at tfl.gov.uk. If the time between touching in at the start and touching
out at the end of your journey is more than the applicable time limit you will be charged more
than the pay as you go fare for your journey. If this happens, you will need to call TfL
Customer Services so that they may, depending on the explanation given for the journey
having taken longer than the appropriate time limit, refund any over-payment
That's certainly a very opaque factor at present.What do you reckon Mike, extension fares outside London next?
As mentioned, the time limit is for the journey irrespective of route. There's a latest news article on my site giving further details about how it all works.Does it not make any difference whether you are using the Default or Not Via Zone 1 route?
Indeed. I avoid unless necessary.For most of us, more than 90 minutes on the underground has long since ceased to be fun.
I would rather walk. I pick the appropriate terminal from the Southern Region from where I travel, and walk to Euston, Kings Cross or wherever.For most of us, more than 90 minutes on the underground has long since ceased to be fun.
Well, that's fine if all your journeys are cross London journeys. But people have other reasons for using the underground.I would rather walk. I pick the appropriate terminal from the Southern Region from where I travel, and walk to Euston, Kings Cross or wherever.
The Elizabeth Line means I can even get to Paddington by changing at Farringdon. Before Elizabeth Line, I would walk to Paddington from Victoria
When you're further out its perhaps not so much of an issue. I normally try to avoid Central London to Central London. If you know your way around, nine times out of ten you can avoid the UndergroundWell, that's fine if all your journeys are cross London journeys. But people have other reasons for using the underground.
Yeah, that's a nice walk.I would rather walk. I pick the appropriate terminal from the Southern Region from where I travel, and walk to Euston, Kings Cross or wherever.
The Elizabeth Line means I can even get to Paddington by changing at Farringdon. Before Elizabeth Line, I would walk to Paddington from Victoria
I'm wondering what journey(s) have the highest time limit - reaching the 5 hours 15 minutes quoted. The highest I've found from the Fares Finder are 4 hours 50 minutes, from the Thames Valley Branch termini (Henley-on-Thames or Marlow) to the other side of London)The case was referred to the ICO with some compelling reasons. In particular that condition 3.15 of the conditions of travel said that full information was available on the TfL website.
3.15 Your pay as you go journey must be completed by touching out at the end of your journey within a time limit from when you touched in at the start of your journey. The time limit varies between 70 minutes for a Monday to Friday daytime journey within a single fare zone, up to 5 hours and 15 minutes for a longer distance journey on a Sunday or public holiday.