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91130nut

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I also visited the subway today and can confirm that 125 was indeed working with 205 and 124. 307 was also working. I noted 5 sets on each circle in the morning (1015 to 1045 ish), with an extra set on each circle in the afternoon. Of the units in your list, I did not see 107, 111 or 128 so maybe they were replaced by 307 ? More importantly though, I finally caught up with 118 which allowed me to clear the old 'uns.
 
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I also visited the subway today and can confirm that 125 was indeed working with 205 and 124. 307 was also working. I noted 5 sets on each circle in the morning (1015 to 1045 ish), with an extra set on each circle in the afternoon. Of the units in your list, I did not see 107, 111 or 128 so maybe they were replaced by 307 ? More importantly though, I finally caught up with 118 which allowed me to clear the old 'uns.
Thanks for a confirmation on 125.

There was 2 service suspensions due to failed trains during my visit and it was only later I caught 307 so quite possible.
 

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Surely the requirement for audio announcements relates to blind people, not wheelchair users?
It’s under the same banner of ‘special requirements’ - I recall back in the G1 days staff advised visually impaired travellers NOT to use the Subway in case they inadvertently came to grief on the stairs or on the platform edge. In those days there were at least 2 staff members on the platform - in the control booth at the platform end and a ticket collector - all who could (then) have offered assistance. When G2 stock arrived the need for platform staff evaporated and they only inhabited the ticket office at ground level. if I was impaired in that way I certainly wouldn’t use the Subway.
 

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It seems there are some ongoing infrastructure / stock issues ....

There is commentary about the different running times of the new stock - has anything been done to address the ludicrous delay in door opening ? It is hard to see how the overall dwell times cannot increase in comparison to the G2 stock, which must impact on the overall service frequency, which now seems to have dropped to a 6 minute service.
 

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It’s under the same banner of ‘special requirements’ - I recall back in the G1 days staff advised visually impaired travellers NOT to use the Subway in case they inadvertently came to grief on the stairs or on the platform edge. In those days there were at least 2 staff members on the platform - in the control booth at the platform end and a ticket collector - all who could (then) have offered assistance. When G2 stock arrived the need for platform staff evaporated and they only inhabited the ticket office at ground level. if I was impaired in that way I certainly wouldn’t use the Subway.
A lot has changed since the 1970s. For a start offering assistance to those who need it is now a legal requirement, as is making reasonable adjustments. The Subway already has all other other required adjustments for blind passengers such as tactile platform edges and announcements are a legal requirement, there’s no excuse for them to be missing.
 

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A lot has changed since the 1970s. For a start offering assistance to those who need it is now a legal requirement, as is making reasonable adjustments. The Subway already has all other other required adjustments for blind passengers such as tactile platform edges and announcements are a legal requirement, there’s no excuse for them to be missing.
Don't disagree of course - but given the current reliability, with multiple service suspensions and evacuations each week, as highlighted in the tweet above, from last night - it is I think reasonable for SPT to have some reticence, in the best interests of those passengers, about advertising the service as more accessible, when the platforms are too narrow, there are virtually no lifts, frequent escalator breakdowns, no auto announcements and an environment so noisy it is hard to hear any that are made, and screens which are either static and useless, on train, or now even the "Next Arrival" screens have been replaced by "6 MINUTE SERVICE", (also wrong) or more and more frequently, off.

The new trains are a step forward (fold down seats, illuminated door flashers) but they are far from a magic bullet in terms of accessibility.

No excuse for not pursuing every avenue they possibly can (announcements etc) but I can at least follow the logic as to not wanting to put passengers in a position where there is more than a marginal possibility (currently) of a breakdown and a undignified evacuation.

The real solution was a full rebuild, and the often mooted extensions .... but as often explored, that was not deemed viable. The current and future system has definite, permanent blocks to full accessibility, which personally as a passenger makes me more than a little uncomfortable.
 

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I'm a wee bit surprised that nobody has picked-up on yesterday evening's high-profile failure - and inter-station evacuation - of one of the new units. Sorry I can't do a link - but there were numerous media reports - including from BBC Scotland and STV - of passengers being evacuated through the leading cab and led along the track to Cowcaddens station.... including a party of students who had been drinking a fair bit, by all accounts.
 

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I'm a wee bit surprised that nobody has picked-up on yesterday evening's high-profile failure - and inter-station evacuation - of one of the new units. Sorry I can't do a link - but there were numerous media reports - including from BBC Scotland and STV - of passengers being evacuated through the leading cab and led along the track to Cowcaddens station.... including a party of students who had been drinking a fair bit, by all accounts.
It was four posts above this one...
 

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Another nightmare of a day today. Both circles suspended at 9:30, opened again at 13:30 and the inner was then suspended at 16:00ish
 
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jagardner1984

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Interestingly, another Inner Circle Suspension this morning around 10am (I was travelling on a crushed G2 on the outer). But no mention of this on their social media. With screens off, no information for passengers aside from infrequent announcements, whilst obviously there will always be issues with new equipment being installed, but certainly on the "Tell people what is going on" bit, SPT could certainly do better. I hope the staff have the right support to deal with these increasingly frequent occurrences. It must be quite unpleasant for all involved.

 

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Isn't the signalling due to be replaced?
Yes, Geoff Marshall's excellent video highlighted the system will cease to be traditionally signalled with On Board Control effectively, which will enable the surge capacity of up to 8 trains per side (3 min service). This still poses some questions since some sections are massively longer than others, and I suspect given their approach to most things, SPT will approach cautiously, for example, on 3 minute service, would you ever have a train leaving Partick on the Inner until Govan is clear of the proceeding train. Whilst theoretically this shouldn't be an issue (it is at the moment since the signal at Partick is the last before the signal at Govan), if there were to be a failure or delay with departure, the prospect of a train coming to a stop under the Clyde is .... not something they would readily engage with, I suspect. Once implemented however, the regulation / balance of the service should become much better, and I wonder if the timing points will move away from Govan to avoid bottlenecks that currently exist.

At the moment I think they'd settle for a reliable 3 trains per side, so Football fans shouldn't expect to get a seat any time soon !


And again in the high peak this evening.

Interview with the Herald today on the 34 suspensions so far this year.

 
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I was on one last week. A breakdown so had to switch sides and went full circle to get back to city centre. Seems common at the moment?
 

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Are they still rolling the new stock out, i should be up in late August but hope to see the G2 stock as well as the new.
There are still a lot of G2 stock out, although in my experience you have a higher chance of coming across them on weekdays, and even then the G3 stock often outnumber them. Going by the rate of progress so far, there will probably still be some G2 sets active in August, however you might need a comination of luck and patience to travel on one.
 

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There was a screenshot of some information from SPT posted on a Facebook group the other week stating the projected date for withdrawal of the G2 fleet was June 30 - if that happens or not though.......
 

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You can of course trust SPT to make a mess of the comms around this, but if ever there was an opportunity for example to say X Sunday would be the last day of G2 stock on the subway, that every child gets a free ticket that day to see the last of this huge bit of our history, and that all ticket revenue goes to some local charity or charities, then this is it.

For all the frustrations with the service, there is a lot of love for the trains and it really would be criminal to see them disappear without a celebratory moment.

We shall see whether the same love is felt for the G3 Stock in 47 years time.
 

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You can of course trust SPT to make a mess of the comms around this, but if ever there was an opportunity for example to say X Sunday would be the last day of G2 stock on the subway, that every child gets a free ticket that day to see the last of this huge bit of our history, and that all ticket revenue goes to some local charity or charities, then this is it.

For all the frustrations with the service, there is a lot of love for the trains and it really would be criminal to see them disappear without a celebratory moment.

We shall see whether the same love is felt for the G3 Stock in 47 years time.
Unfortunately some of us won’t be around that long! I agree with you on the opportunity for a proper send off of the G2 stock, especially since the intended farewell for the G1 stock back in the 70’s had to be cancelled
 

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You can of course trust SPT to make a mess of the comms around this, but if ever there was an opportunity for example to say X Sunday would be the last day of G2 stock on the subway
I wouldn't be surprised if SPT messed it up.

Would be good if they perhaps offered a raffle or auction to do one more loop on the old stock for it's final run so they can raise some money for charity or something. Would get some good publicity and raise money for a good cause. Maybe I'm too hopeful
 

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