Class 86 Les Ross hauling Virgin Mk3s on ECML

[at60]

Just seen 86259 hauling what I believe was the Virgin Mk3 'Pretendolino' set up the ECML at Arksey level crossing. I assume it was a rail tour, but does anyone know for definite ?

 

[455driver]

Where is Arksey level crossing?
Unfortunately most of us mere mortals dont know the name and location of every level crossing in the Country as you obviously do, I mean why else would you just give us a LC name to work from!

Perhaps you could compile a map with all the level crossings named on it.

 

[Daimler]

It was a football special heading from Kings Cross to Newcastle for Chelsea fans, apparently.

 

[Trainfan344]

455 driver, prehaps this is the level crossing he was on about.

 

[yorkie]

Where is Arksey level crossing?

Near Doncaster.

Unfortunately most of us mere mortals dont know the name and location of every level crossing in the Country as you obviously do, I mean why else would you just give us a LC name to work from!

Perhaps you could compile a map with all the level crossings named on it.

up the ECML...

It was a football special heading from Kings Cross to Newcastle for Chelsea fans, apparently.

Hmm, so in the Down direction then!

I don't get why some people call Mk3s in Virgin livery a "pretendolino"; it's no more pretending to be a Pendolino than a Voyager, surely?

 

[455driver]

I think its because of the livery Yorkie, of course a mark 3 will always be better than a Virgin pee tube!

 

[yorkie]

I think its because of the livery Yorkie, of course a mark 3 will always be better than a Virgin pee tube!

I know and I agree, but I still don't get why, by their logic, they don't consider a Voyager in Virgin livery to be a 'Pretendolino' too.

 

[455driver]

because any Voyager is known as a Vomiter (other names are available ) and people are just trying to make the mk3 set sound as bad as the new stuff.

Also because it was used as a replacement for the Pendo on the FO job it was a sign of affection I think.
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Maybe it was simply because the mk3 set didnt have a catchy name unlike the Voyagers.

 

[yorkie]

Also because it was used as a replacement for the Pendo on the FO job it was a sign of affection I think.

Although the Fridays Only working did change to Crewe via Birmingham, for a while it was the Preston via Trent Valley service, and ironically that went to Voyager operation, so arguably it was a replacement for a Voyager! Another thing that puts me off the term is because all the 'veg' on youtube were going on about it.

 

[High Dyke]

Also because it was used as a replacement for the Pendo on the FO job it was a sign of affection I think.

A better sign of affection would be to refer to it as a real train.

 

[Condor7]

Where is Arksey level crossing?
Unfortunately most of us mere mortals dont know the name and location of every level crossing in the Country as you obviously do, I mean why else would you just give us a LC name to work from!

Perhaps you could compile a map with all the level crossings named on it.

Or you could just type Arksey level crossing into Google as I did.
It's not a problem really.

 

[Eagle]

I don't get why some people call Mk3s in Virgin livery a "pretendolino"; it's no more pretending to be a Pendolino than a Voyager, surely?

Because it was used to replace a Pendolino (the one written off at Grayrigg). So it was pretending to be one in that sense, rather than in a livery sense.

Also in the timetable it was still timed as if it were a Pendolino, and all the departure boards referred to it as "Virgin Pendolino".

 

[96tommy]

I captured it this morning at York whilst I was going to the game myself!

 

[Whistler40145]

Doesn't 86259 have functional TDM equipment or is there another reason she was on the front of the DVT?


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[theblackwatch]

Doesn't 86259 have functional TDM equipment or is there another reason she was on the front of the DVT?

Or perhaps WCRC don't sign DVTs?

 

[crewmeal]

I wonder why they used 'Les Ross' instead of a 90?

 

[yorkie]

Or you could just type Arksey level crossing into Google as I did.
It's not a problem really.

To some extent, yes, but we shouldn't have to search for everything on Google. Some acronyms and tiny place names go a bit far at times. I've also known photographers refer to places that are not unique (e.g. Spittal on the ECML - there's two of them)

... all the departure boards referred to it as "Virgin Pendolino".

That was surely short-lived, as I remember the timetables having an "NP" symbol, which referred to "Not Pendolino", but some said it meant "Not Plastic"

 

[Whistler40145]

Maybe the driver didn't sign 90s?


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[yorkie]

I wonder why they used 'Les Ross' instead of a 90?

More reliable?

 

[GNER 91128]

Saw this come and leave on Platform 1 at KGX when I was sitting on the 21:00 NCL on Platform 0.

Apparently there was a 47 at the Cross yesterday was this used to take it to Old Oak Common?

 

[SprinterMan]

Picture from The Railway Centre.com

Adam

 

[Eagle]

That was surely short-lived, as I remember the timetables having an "NP" symbol, which referred to "Not Pendolino", but some said it meant "Not Plastic"

Not on the departure boards (at least not at Virgin-operated stations). Coventry for instance always announced it as a Pendolino throughout its regular service life.

 

[Boothby97]

Saw this come and leave on Platform 1 at KGX when I was sitting on the 21:00 NCL on Platform 0.

Apparently there was a 47 at the Cross yesterday was this used to take it to Old Oak Common?

47237 took it to Wembley. The Pretendolino (or Set WB64) is based at Wembley, whilst 86259 is based at Willesden Depot.

 

[at60]

Where is Arksey level crossing?
Unfortunately most of us mere mortals dont know the name and location of every level crossing in the Country as you obviously do, I mean why else would you just give us a LC name to work from!

Perhaps you could compile a map with all the level crossings named on it.

Pardon me for daring to assume that that at least one other person on this forum might know where Arksey Lc is, after all, I said it was on the ECML, which should have been enough to mark this down as an un unusual movement anyway.

Perhaps you could stay out of a thread if you don't have anything positive or useful to add to it?

Thanks to 96tommy & SprinterMan for the pics, and Daimler for the info, that's more like what I expected from the more helpful members of the forum!

Apologies also for saying 'up the ECML', as Yorkie points out, it was in the down direction, but in my haste to post this quickly after seeing the train on my way to work I was a bit sketchy on detail.

 

[Condor7]

To some extent, yes, but we shouldn't have to search for everything on Google. Some acronyms and tiny place names go a bit far at times. I've also known photographers refer to places that are not unique (e.g. Spittal on the ECML - there's two of them)

Yes I agree, I think I was just reacting to 455drivers comment which I thought a little harshly put.

 

[455driver]

Perhaps you could stay out of a thread if you don't have anything positive or useful to add to it?

Or perhaps the OP could post something a little more useful than 'a train passed a (nondescript) level crossing somewhere up the ECML' then eh! :roll:

Funny enough I thought the threads on here were open to anyone who wanted to post* whether it was useful or not.


* except the fare dodgers part of course, cant upset the visitors can we.

 

[Chris125]

Doesn't 86259 have functional TDM equipment or is there another reason she was on the front of the DVT?

It seems she doesn't currently have working TDM.

Chris

 

[SeanG]

Stabled in Heaton when in the North East and I saw the 86 running round the set there

 

[cjmillsnun]

Doesn't 86259 have functional TDM equipment or is there another reason she was on the front of the DVT?


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Could also be the DVT that is at fault?

 

[Chris125]

Could also be the DVT that is at fault?

It's possible, but I see no reason to think so.

Chris