GusB
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What's AVL?
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Auld reekie
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Automatic Vehicle Location.
GusB
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I was just looking for an explanation of the acronym. Please remember that there will be readers of the forum who aren't necessarily in the know and we should avoid using jargon where possible.
TheEastCoaster
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This is quite off topic but i was hoping someone could help me (delete if appropriate)
I'm doing graphic design currently and i was wanting to use Lothian's timetable/route maps and network map as a template for a class project, to see if i can replicate it, i downloaded the current network map as a PDF from the website but i was wondering if there are other resources i could use that perhaps someone on here might have a hold off or know someone who does?
If not it's okay, i just thought i'd ask! but if anyone has any templates or anything they can share with me please let me know! thank you
sorry to ask again since I didn’t have a response the first timearound!
I thought it was reasonably common knowledge, I'll remove my full explanation in that case as you seem to know their purpose and function.
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OmniCity999
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It depends.
Wright orders would arrive near complete, minus AVL, Ticket Machine and vaults.
Wright would arrange the vinylling etc.
I believe ADL orders arrived more complete, everything would be done minus ticket machine and AVL.
I think the recent ADL orders even came pre loaded with next stop announcements and PIS Content - But thats something the relevent departments within Lothian would send over to be done.
The vaults we use are made in Scotland so on mass could be delivered to ADL, this wasn't the case for Wright.
Although I'm not based at Seafield full time so may not be the best person to ask!
Generally, the further away the product is made, the less complete it is.
VioletEclipse
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I saw someone mention where the 42 would turn if Marine were to close, not that it would, and they suggested to roundabout in Baileyfield. Baileyfield Industrial Estate no longer exists, and is now a half-built housing estate with no roundabouts (so far) so it would probably end up having to do a loop in Craigentinny, maybe even right to Fillyside seeing as it could do with a bus service.
Is there a potential to introduce a new service that would cover, say, two of those locations - not all as Seafield to Kirknewton via the Wisp is a very long and non-direct route - for example from Musselburgh through Seafield along the north coast then down to Balerno and out to Kirknewton. I'm thinking this up as I go along but there may be potential for an entirely new route.Okay so having no luck with my project (never mind) least i asked.. twice
I decided to instead bring up a new topic on here, since the road between Balerno and Kirknewton is hardly served by any bus services these days, it had me thinking of places that are either underserved by buses or no longer served by buses, (within edinburgh)
so after a google map search i decided to find some old bus stops with history on them and was hoping others could help put in input.
i'll start
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1. Seafield (Craigentinny Avenue North)
The road between Seafield and Portobello/Craigentinny is a stranger to buses, with what i would call a strained relationship! the earliest i can remember is the Number 12 running to The Jewel and the latest incarnation being Eve Coaches 129 to Ocean Terminal which was withdrawn back in 2015/2016, leaving the link lost for 4-5 years, Seafield remained served by the 12 untill early this year when the 12 was cut back to the City and replaced by an Extended 1, but more about this link and my opinion
Seafield is home to many shops and retailers such as McDonalds, Carpet Right, B&M and of course Matalan, definitly popular for Car users no doubt, so why has the bus link been scrapped? of course like most services its lack of demand, if you were to get here from Portobello your quick bet is to walk the long stretch at Seafield Road East which granted is not the longest walk but for older users it is indeed a chore, to me it's a shame that there currently is no direct link to such a handy area from Portobello, and surprised they haven't given it another chance up till now, either by extending the 140 from Musselburgh to Ocean Terminal recreating the old 129 route, or extending the 200 from Ocean Terminal to Eastfield, linking not only Portobello with Seafield but with Ocean Terminal, Newhaven and Granton all in one!
I won't hold my breath, especully with this pandemic going on, but if by any miracle Lothian would decide to give Seafield another chance, i hope the residents will make good use of it!
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2. The Wisp (Wisp Green)
To be fair, this one is technically cheating as this road recently got the 118 extended from Fort Kinnaird but i had a few thoughts to say about this one.
A few times whenever Greendykes has been closed off and the 21/48/400 was diverted via the Wisp, the one thought that occured to me was, Why is there no service directly running through this area? its quicker and honestly more scenic, this one seems more like a personal bias to me i'll admit because i think the wisp is a fantastic road! and travelling on this road on the top deck of a modern bus is quite the sight to see!
I don't know much about the history of the bus services on this sector apart from Eve Coaches 128 which i believe ran the entire road down to Danderhall as the new greendykes estate was not open till 2016 i think?
While its great the 118 can link residests of this area a bus to their doorstep it is a shame the bus only runs till about 3pm, maybe Lothian should consider re-routing the 48 or 400 down this way and giving the residents another link?
Theres 2 just now, will probably have more opinions later so what are your thoughts?
Just thought this would be fun and change up the forum!
Thinking of it again, going from Leith through Seafield, Portobello and then Danderhall is just as much of a long route as going from Musselburgh via Granton. Sorry for replying to my own post, I'll be quiet now
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OmniCity999
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It's probably not a planned allocation
Highland050261
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To be fair I just look at it as a central bus jumping in to do a central route
OmniCity999
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That is very much the case, it just so happens that its advertising the Airlink service.
TheEastCoaster
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I know the 42 did terminate at Fishwives Causeway for 2-3 evening runs a few years ago to avoid running all the way to the garage, hence why the blinds used to say Portobello, which they should still do in my opinion, if they still had the roundabout there i would think that would make a perfect terminus for Portobello that isn't Kings Road
a one way loop around Craigentinny could work, i know the 69 attempted it a few years ago and diverted itself via Nantwick Drive to serve Fillyside but of course that didn't work, mainly because the 69 wasn't exactly what folk were looking for in terms of a bus service, it did its job for as long as it did and now its offically no more, but i think the issue with a one way loop is having the buses run the full length of Seafield Road East (between the Garage and the bridge at Fillyside) which is always choked with Traffic during the day.
As ideal as that would be, i don't see that happening unfortunately, especully nothing that super long anyway, maybe two different services made to interwork with one another? but for now i think the best way to give Fillyside/seafield the bus service these people deserve is extending either the 140 or 200
Don't apologise for replying to your own post, it's great to see something new being discussed on here for a change
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An XLB has appeared to have a small collision with a fence I am guessing on Pennywell Road. https://twitter.com/TRIMandFOWP/status/1306549821982081024
Pennywell Road is blocked
A @on_lothianbuses has crashed whilst turning left in to Pennywell Gardens
OmniCity999
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Here come the "should have got a steering TAG axle" brigade.
before it starts, it wasnt Lothian's choice, it wasnt ADL's choice. It was Volvo's.
Unfavourable roadworks and surroundings are to blame with this.
Absolutely, lets not start. Many people I have chatted to about this have also said "wooo!" about it which is a really weird approach. Hope everyone is ok and the bus can get fixed in no time.
FlybeDash8Q400
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Looks to be in the Silverknowes direction. This part of the area as mentioned is currently undergoing redevelopment work which involves building a Tesco metro on the site of the former chippy and The Gunner pub.
Loads of roadworks have made the corner tighter than it should be. There’s a high fence which can obscure it slightly too.
The damage is on the rear (mainly on the right) so it’s arguably more favourable with the fixed tag as the tail swing would have made the bus come out more had it been fitted.
Mistakes happen. Just hope nobody is too shaken.
Loads of roadworks have made the corner tighter than it should be. There’s a high fence which can obscure it slightly too.
The damage is on the rear (mainly on the right) so it’s arguably more favourable with the fixed tag as the tail swing would have made the bus come out more had it been fitted.
Mistakes happen. Just hope nobody is too shaken.
Minor incidents like this are a regular occurrence throughout the industry. Don't see why such a big fuss/celebration of this is being made of this by the 'anti lothian' brigade - really bizarre.
I am not anti-lothian, just thought I would report it.
I wasn't referring to you, rather the people you said were saying "woo" and other comments i've seen on Facebook.
Oh right, that makes sense. Absolutely agree with that.
TheGrandWazoo
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If people are that tribal, either way, they want to give their head a shake. It's a minor prang - that's it.
Graham Alexand
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Has Lothian Country's 844 to 850 been transferred to EastCoastBuses Permanently or Temporarily?
OmniCity999
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a decision is still being made.
Was out a drive with my girlfriend today in her car and the buses I seen around Penicuik, Edinburgh and the likes of Musselburgh, Seton Sands etc all seemed pretty busy today.
2 crashes on the Edinburgh city bypass pretty much at the same plus but 1 on each side didn't help too much either with traffic. Was a fair distance backed up with traffic from the accidents just at Dreghorn
2 crashes on the Edinburgh city bypass pretty much at the same plus but 1 on each side didn't help too much either with traffic. Was a fair distance backed up with traffic from the accidents just at Dreghorn
ScotRail158725
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probably until there’s a replacement for them considering those came to replace the B7s
OmniCity999
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In all seriousness, its temporary until their painted.
theres still talk of some new stock for East Coast, the decision hasnt been made.
Lothiangem22
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With the new single decks being delivered might this free up some DD’s that have been running on “single deck routes” (1,2,12,24,36,42,45,48) to allow better utilisation of the double deck fleet or will this just cover future service increases?
OmniCity999
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the new singles are replacing old singles 1 for 1.
B8RLE's will displace 30 X 7900's, ordinarily running on the service 30 - these new singles are primarily for the service 30.
in turn meaning 30 X B7RLE's will be sold, most have been already.
It's said 30 B8RLE's are due - i was led to believe there was 45 due, this may have been reduced to 30, but originally it was 45.
Deckers are being used on single routes to aid social distancing.
ScotRail158725
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i was expecting the 30 to replace 30 on top of the ones already sold/for sale
Will the deckers go back to their old depots afterwards or are these allocations permanent?