Entire 800/801/802 fleet stood down for safety checks

[Wolfie]

I should probably have put a smiley on that, I wasn't being serious.

Ah, sorry.

 

[RobShipway]

Safety checks are safety checks and have to be done irrespective of the travel impact caused but when there is an event that has UK wide impact i would expect someone like Chris Heaton-Harris or Grant Shapps to make sure there is an acknowledgement of the severity of the inconvenience being caused and ensure that how its happened is understood and published as well as reviewing how the industry manages such events.

When National Grid had a major outage a few years ago the then Secretary of State for BEIS (department responsible for electricity supplies) Andréa Leadsom came on the media and advised National Grid were doing a report for OFGEM to review. So here Agility Trains aka Hitachi need to do likewise for ORR to review and TOCs need to scrutinised as to have they have managed the situation. This isn't for today but should be teed up next week.

Whose to say that Agility Trains are not having to produce a report to ORR?

 

[The Planner]

These trains weren't meant for the old victorian infrastructure.

Because its exactly the same as it was built back then. Brunel well known for continuous welded rail.

 

[matacaster]

Roger Ford has just been on R4 and said he believes it is the yaw damper fault identified last month.
4000 brackets to check, and difficult to repair.

Odd that we have a similar problem with CAF Civity units at the same time.

I believe there were

Roger Ford has just been on R4 and said he believes it is the yaw damper fault identified last month.
4000 brackets to check, and difficult to repair.

Odd that we have a similar problem with CAF Civity units at the same time.

I seem to recall 158's had a similar Problem

The potential issue is with welds on a different part though it's in the same general vicinity as the yaw damper mounting.

Didn't 158s have a similar problem with dampers. Sounds like the structural analysis on this area seems less than robust.

 

[Essexman]

The only station I can think of that can't be reached from London by rail alternative routes (generally the North & Midlands via Midland Mainline and changing or via Birmingham, Wales via Birmingham and changing once or twice, West County via Birmingham & Cross Country, or on local trains) is Pewsey.

 

[Three-Nine]

Ah, sorry.

No problem!

 

[yorksrob]

If they've known about it for a month, I wonder why they've stopped the show today ?

 

[Wallsendmag]

Weren't all the 91s/MkIVs withdrawn after a snow storm early in their life?

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

Whose to say that Agility Trains are not having to produce a report to ORR?

Who knows point is nobody from the industry or its paymaster has shown there face yet. If it wasn't for the various elections going on the media would be all over it. It is what it is and a senior political figure acknowledging the situation wouldn't make it any better but it would at least show some empathy with those affected.

 

[Mojo]

The only station I can think of that can't be reached from London by rail alternative routes (generally the North & Midlands via Midland Mainline and changing or via Birmingham, Wales via Birmingham and changing once or twice, West County via Birmingham & Cross Country, or on local trains) is Pewsey.

Which, as luck would have it, was closed this weekend any way because of planned engineering work.

 

[SteelWeelApeal]

The only station I can think of that can't be reached from London by rail alternative routes (generally the North & Midlands via Midland Mainline and changing or via Birmingham, Wales via Birmingham and changing once or twice, West County via Birmingham & Cross Country, or on local trains) is Pewsey.

And as it happens, Pewsey is planned bus replacements today anyway.

 

[RolandR]

If they've known about it for a month, I wonder why they've stopped the show today ?

Sky News just reported that LNER had informed them that the faults were discovered overnight. Yeah right!

 

[DanNCL]

TPE are running an hourly replacement bus between York and Newcastle, stopping at Darlington, Durham and Chester-le-Street. Chester-le-Street actually benefits from this, as today's replacement bus is twice as frequent as the usual train service!

 

[Robertj21a]

Safety checks are safety checks and have to be done irrespective of the travel impact caused but when there is an event that has UK wide impact i would expect someone like Chris Heaton-Harris or Grant Shapps to make sure there is an acknowledgement of the severity of the inconvenience being caused and ensure that how its happened is understood and published as well as reviewing how the industry manages such events.

When National Grid had a major outage a few years ago the then Secretary of State for BEIS (department responsible for electricity supplies) Andréa Leadsom came on the media and advised National Grid were doing a report for OFGEM to review. So here Agility Trains aka Hitachi need to do likewise for ORR to review and TOCs need to scrutinised as to have they have managed the situation. This isn't for today but should be teed up next week.

You do realise that, in the real world, this is just a few trains affected, across the UK. Given that the vast majority of the population will be driving cars, or simply staying at home, I doubt it will affect even 1% of the population.

 

[SteelWeelApeal]

I've seen some suggestions for alternative service provision on here, so thought I'd make a thread in the speculative ideas section.
(11) IET's grounded - what would you run? | RailUK Forums (railforums.co.uk)

 

[Doctor Fegg]

The only station I can think of that can't be reached from London by rail alternative routes (generally the North & Midlands via Midland Mainline and changing or via Birmingham, Wales via Birmingham and changing once or twice, West County via Birmingham & Cross Country, or on local trains) is Pewsey.

How about everything between Hanborough and Pershore...

(though if GWR do run a Turbo in place of an IET then that might solve that one)

 

[yorksrob]

Sky News just reported that LNER had informed them that the faults were discovered overnight. Yeah right!

I'm just going by what Roger Ford is reported as having said - I make no judgment as to which version happens to be correct.

 

[RobShipway]

If I was in LNER or GWR, I would be thinking about if this is going to last longer than a few days what units can I use instead of the Class 8xx units to provide the trains services?

 

[Roose]

... point is nobody from the industry or its paymaster has shown there face yet.

Perhaps people are rather busy addressing the problem?

 

[RolandR]

TPE are running an hourly replacement bus between York and Newcastle, stopping at Darlington, Durham and Chester-le-Street. Chester-le-Street actually benefits from this, as today's replacement bus is twice as frequent as the usual train service!

I had assumed that TPE would be using class 185s to substitute. May not have the spare units available.

 

[Peter C]

How about everything between Hanborough and Pershore...

(though if GWR do run a Turbo in place of an IET then that might solve that one)

I think it's been mentioned upthread that a Turbo has been sent along the Cotswold Line - 1W05 down and 1P66 back up. There might have also been an IET along the line? But apart from that, those stations haven't seen many trains. Combe, Finstock, and Ascott weren't expecting services today anyway though.

-Peter

 

[Wallsendmag]

There's an hourly service running between both Edinburgh and Leeds to London this morning with possibly more services this afternoon.

 

[Horizon22]

Well, the TOCs will buy good quality .
The Midland Mainline going to be busy.

The government. Corrected that for you.

Apparently GWR have a skeleton fleet available (ones previously checked) but the advice is not to travel. Might be able to whip up some Turbos but that will only patch the gaps.

 

[Roose]

Can't beat proper British engineering. Hitachi should stick to transistor radios

Well I thought this was funny even if the Britain-haters/Hitachi fanboys/humourless forum members missed the irony.

 

[Max]

Looks like GWR have some sets back in service, 1L16 SWA-PAD has left on time: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/W30621/2021-05-08

 

[Davester50]

The reality is, LNER Twitter have been downright rude and evasive, with some of their responses to customers wanting to know more information.

So just a normal day during disruption.
No time for the (pointless) memes makes a dull day I guess.

 

[Envy123]

I remember seeing some loose parts on Dylan’s Travel Reports when he travelled on GWR with one of those units. It does not surprise me that more faults like this occurred.

 

[Iskra]

There's an hourly service running between both Edinburgh and Leeds to London this morning with possibly more services this afternoon.

That's a good effort under the circumstances.

 

[F Great Eastern]

It's clear that GWR are focusing on giving accurate information to help their customers whilst LNER seem to be focusing on protecting the images and reputation of the trains that have been taken out of service as well as trying not to make it look as bad as it is for them as a company.

The line which is now being parroted by all outlets of LNER is: "We are experiencing significant disruption to our train services due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time." whilst that is technically true, that's a line of a company who is more interested in self preservation than transparency.

I'm sure the DfT will be proud that when push came to shove, their subsidiary decided that their first priority was to act as a human shield for the department's procurement decisions, rather than being transparent and open in their dealings with passengers.

Hopefully this is an eye opener for anyone who thinks that Nationalisation is the silver bullet for improving the railway in this country. All it will lead to, is like in other countries, a situation where the single TOC is more interested in protecting it's Government overlords and itself, than the needs of me or you.

 

[55002]

Looks like more being released from depots, 2 Leeds bound trains started at Doncaster after coming out of Carr depot, and 1103 Kings Cross to Leeds has come out of Bounds Green