William3000
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For the scale of the station and with intercity services it’s very poor.It had 343,000 passengers in 2019/20. Is that really a disaster?
For the scale of the station and with intercity services it’s very poor.It had 343,000 passengers in 2019/20. Is that really a disaster?
Worcestershire Parkway had 25,478 passengers and 63,915 interchanges in 2019/20. But that was in a few weeks after opening and then the pandemic hitWhat's the feeling about the recently-opened Worcestershire Parkway and Warrington West?
Any additional passenger traffic that was established following the re-opening of the station in 2012 will have been killed off by reducing the service to 2 trains per day (those that connect with the Irish boat service). It is also only useful for longer-distance journeys as it not possible to travel direct to the nearest main town of Haverfordwest.Fishguard and Goodwick
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Any additional passenger traffic that was established following the re-opening of the station in 2012 will have been killed off by reducing the service to 2 trains per day (those that connect with the Irish boat service).
East Midlands Parkway does have a potentially very wide catchment area with good road connections but in many ways there’s never been much incentive to use it.East Midlands Parkway surely a prime candidate here? There are towns on the EML without stations, yet we built one in the middle of nowhere instead.
Would have thought Tile Hill was the easier to get to.Kenilworth.
Has had a fair amount of entries and exits recorded, but isn't that useful if you live in Kenilworth. Leamington Spa is a short ride by car, or by bus, which offers good connections to London and Birmingham. It's useful going towards Coventry, but if you've got your own car it's much more convenient to drive to Coventry station. Not to mention WMR have been providing it with a horrible service...
To be fair it was built as an interchange station with the Trafford park line extension in mind.
It's in regular use for charters.Tyseley Warwick Road. Can't be used now due to being blocked by the ORR for some reason I believe; stand to be corrected. Never reached its full potential.
A few on light rail:
-Pomona (Metrolink) ditto
Do a lot of supporters use it on match days?
The stop is located near the former Pomona Docks. The area is also referred to as Pomona Island (between the Manchester Ship Canal and the Bridgewater Canal).Why Pomona incidentally? Related to the California town?
And I believe the Pomona Docks were so named because they served the apple trade.The stop is located near the former Pomona Docks. The area is also referred to as Pomona Island (between the Manchester Ship Canal and the Bridgewater Canal).
I'd recommend page twenty of this document >> https://assets.publishing.service.g..._data/file/3932/demand-forecasting-report.pdf
The benchmarks for most stations seem fairly realistic (in that broadly half are below par, half are above expectations)
Imperial Wharf, Chandlers Ford, Liverpool South Parkway, Newcraighall, Merryton, Aylesbury Vale are on the "naughty list", but that's to be expected given that not everything is going to meet its benchmark - however much some people may want to focus only on Ebbw Vale (which was approved based on lower numbers of demand but then the steel works closed and significantly more people needed to leave Ebbw Vale for work each morning, compared to having a local steelworks that employed huge numbers - I'm not knocking Ebbw Vale - it's clearly a success - but I do get tired when people bring up it's significantly above expectations numbers to suggest that there's a problems with the methodology for other projects - one outlier for specific reasons isn't indicative of a problem with the BCR criteria)
Of course some stations get the green light regardless of any business case - e.g. we didn't open the line to Tweedbank because of amazing passenger expectations, we built it because of good old fashioned political hor
Someone from somewhere like Rotherham/ Mansfield/ Matlock might be attracted to drive to a station….
Doubt that an InterCity Parkway-type station will ever gain many “brownie points” on the social benefits scale. An existing station in a low income, low local employment, low car ownership areA almost certainly does - even if only for a relatively small number of people.The numbers aren't brilliant but it feels indicative that a station with hundreds of thousands of passengers per annum is regularly brought up as a failure on here whilst a station with a hundred passengers per annum will be defended as providing a vital social service giving unquantifiable public benefits
I'm not sure I get your point here. Ebbw Vale steelworks stopped employing 'huge numbers' in the 1970s. It's true that a rump tinplate works employing a fraction of the workforce lingered on until 2002, but even that had gone years before the eronious BCR forecast was made.However much some people may want to focus only on Ebbw Vale (which was approved based on lower numbers of demand but then the steel works closed and significantly more people needed to leave Ebbw Vale for work each morning, compared to having a local steelworks that employed huge numbers - I'm not knocking Ebbw Vale - it's clearly a success - but I do get tired when people bring up it's significantly above expectations numbers to suggest that there's a problems with the methodology for other projects - one outlier for specific reasons isn't indicative of a problem with the BCR criteria)
With the added benefit of sticking a half-hourly Luton Airport express on the southern end of it.Basically a convenient turnback for the "North Northamptonshire semi-fast" service.
Pyle has reasonable usage (126k pa in 2019/20), possibly as it acts as a railhead for Porthcawl and has a few more weekday services and a Sunday service, compared to the other 4 re-opened stations on the Swanline route. These other 4 stations each have low patronage (50k pa in 2019/20); a basic 2 hourly service is not attractive to potential passengers.One that doesn’t seem to have been mentioned on here is the intermediate local stations between Bridgend and Swansea. I’m not sure if they’ve picked up a bit over the last couple of decades, but certainly this scheme was regarded as comparatively unsuccessful in the early days.
Swanline was a disaster back in the day.One that doesn’t seem to have been mentioned on here is the intermediate local stations between Bridgend and Swansea. I’m not sure if they’ve picked up a bit over the last couple of decades, but certainly this scheme was regarded as comparatively unsuccessful in the early days.
Manchester's Pomona pre-dates the California one (1875), but both are named after the Roman god of fruit.
The area was Manchester's Royal Botanical Gardens from 1828, and was then developed as Pomona "pleasure gardens" before being acquired for Manchester's Ship Canal docks.).
If they continue to charge £6 more for peak day return to New Street than Shrub Hill it will always be underused. Especially as free on street parking at WSH.Worcestershire Parkway had 25,478 passengers and 63,915 interchanges in 2019/20. But that was in a few weeks after opening and then the pandemic hit