317666
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I believe there's currently four 317s stored at Harwich - does anyone know which?
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Class 317 withdrawals.
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339, 340, 510 and 883 - saw them on October 30th so not sure if the allocation has changed since
4SubAsociation
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Do you think you can get a pic of this? I am part of the team that write the "Preserved Electric Multiple Units" guide for Railway Heritage Register.
317666
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Great, thanks!
43096
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There aren’t any non-PRM 317s left are there?
Wires crossed somewhere. The last non PRM class 317 out in service was 317345 back in March.
There are 27 modified units of which, to the best of my knowledge, 23 are currently available. My understanding is that they will run until spring next year.
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And to be clear, Today’s Railways is wrong: the dispensation for the 26 Class 321s expires at 2359 on 32 December. How they get this wrong, I don’t know, it’s publicly available on the DfT website!
DarloRich
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Did Dr Who write the application
Assume, obviously, this means 31/12 but knowing this board it is best to check!
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Correct! Fat finger syndrome…Did Dr Who write the application
Assume, obviously, this means 31/12 but knowing this board it is best to check!
O L Leigh
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Looking at the site on Google Earth I would say not. It would appear to be private property and some way back from the road, so you may need to make an introduction and get permission.
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02/12
5Q86
Realtime Trains - FRGT 0950 Ely Mlf Papworth Sidings to Eastleigh Arlington (Zg)
01/12 57312 0E46 Derby - Ely.
5Q86 dep 0951 57312 317509/892
5Q86
Realtime Trains - FRGT 0950 Ely Mlf Papworth Sidings to Eastleigh Arlington (Zg)
01/12 57312 0E46 Derby - Ely.
5Q86 dep 0951 57312 317509/892
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317337 in service
317338 in service
317339 out of service, stored at Harwich Parkeston
317340 out of service, stored at Harwich Parkeston
317341 in service
317342 in service
317343 in service
317344 in service
317345 part preserved/scrapped
317346 scrapped
317347 in service
317348 in service
317501 in service
317502 in service
317503 scrapped
317504 in service
317505 scrapped
317506 in service
317507 in service
317508 in service
317509 scrapped
317510 out of service, stored at Harwich Parkeston
317511 in service
317512 in service
317513 in service
317514 scrapped
317515 in service
317649-317672 all gone for scrap.
317708 out of service, stabled at Ely Papworth sidings
317709 out of service, stabled at Ely Papworth sidings
317710 out of service, stabled at Ely Papworth sidings
317714 out of service, stabled at Ely Papworth sidings
317719 out of service, stabled at Ely Papworth sidings
317722 scrapped
317723 out of service, stabled at Ely Papworth sidings
317729 out of service, stabled at Ely Papworth sidings
317732 out of service, stabled at Ely Papworth sidings
317881 in service
317882 in service
317883 out of service, stored at Harwich Parkeston
317884 in service
317885 in service
317886 in service
317887 scrapped
317888 scrapped
317889 scrapped
317890 scrapped
317891 scrapped
317892 scrapped
317338 in service
317339 out of service, stored at Harwich Parkeston
317340 out of service, stored at Harwich Parkeston
317341 in service
317342 in service
317343 in service
317344 in service
317345 part preserved/scrapped
317346 scrapped
317347 in service
317348 in service
317501 in service
317502 in service
317503 scrapped
317504 in service
317505 scrapped
317506 in service
317507 in service
317508 in service
317509 scrapped
317510 out of service, stored at Harwich Parkeston
317511 in service
317512 in service
317513 in service
317514 scrapped
317515 in service
317649-317672 all gone for scrap.
317708 out of service, stabled at Ely Papworth sidings
317709 out of service, stabled at Ely Papworth sidings
317710 out of service, stabled at Ely Papworth sidings
317714 out of service, stabled at Ely Papworth sidings
317719 out of service, stabled at Ely Papworth sidings
317722 scrapped
317723 out of service, stabled at Ely Papworth sidings
317729 out of service, stabled at Ely Papworth sidings
317732 out of service, stabled at Ely Papworth sidings
317881 in service
317882 in service
317883 out of service, stored at Harwich Parkeston
317884 in service
317885 in service
317886 in service
317887 scrapped
317888 scrapped
317889 scrapped
317890 scrapped
317891 scrapped
317892 scrapped
adrock1976
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Many thanks for the updated list.
Were 649-672 the second batch of 24 317s built in 1985, four years after the original 48?
Indeed - all the ex-317/2s which were converted by WAGN
D365
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the 379s are potentially needed somewhere?
One theory is that the 379s go to Hornsey freeing up 387s to replace the 313s. I've no idea about the reliability or timescale of this plan.the 379s are potentially needed somewhere?
The 379s are meant to be staying until December if what’s shown in Modern Railways is anything to go by - unless plans have changed?
They were originally due to start at their new home from May, this was changed to December. It’s possible the plans have reverted back to May, but seems fairly unlikely given the situation at AGA.
Their “new home” being with Great Northern I presume?
And yes, with the 720 introduction not being fully complete, personally I can’t see them moving anytime soon.
I doubt 720 introduction needs to be 'fully complete' before the last of the legacy units can be released. Two-thirds of the fleet of 133 units may well be enough for the current level of demand.
Southern want to remove their 313s by late 2022 or early 2023. A 5-car 720 can replace an 8-car EMU, depending on passenger levels.
True, but the current level of demand won’t last forever - that being said, at this stage it’s not certain what’s going to happen with what’s going on at the moment.
reddragon
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Peak demand has vaporised! The new peak is the weekend.
40% of people have permanently abandoned offices, most of the rest will go part time, few will return to full time offices. My company has already disposed of half of its offices!
Get real, future fleet sizes will be smaller as those extra peak units will no longer be needed.
40% of people have permanently abandoned offices, most of the rest will go part time, few will return to full time offices. My company has already disposed of half of its offices!
Get real, future fleet sizes will be smaller as those extra peak units will no longer be needed.
Wivenswold
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I've said similar elsewhere in here tonight. GA will likely be able to take all of the legacy fleet out long before the Aventras are all delivered. Those 720s will have 2+2 seating in a few years.
Nicholas Lewis
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Indeed presumably the only thing holding back the 720's in WA is sufficient drivers with the traction knowledge.
Also given other LSE TOCs have either moved to reduced timetables or are rumoured to be doing so can't see GA not being pressed to do the same as it makes the bean counters in Marsham St think they are saving money especially as 317's are on terminable leases with no liability.
SolomonSouth
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Still a surprising amount in service then!
Then again what can you expect when 720 reliability is at the level it is...
The poor availability of class 379s helps too. There are typically eight pairs of class 317s out on weekdays. So another eight class 720s on West Anglia will finish them off. Hopefully there will be some sort of farewell bash.