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How unusual is it for a train on a route to skip all intermediate stations?

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Doesn't always work. Last autumn, I was travelling from Leeds to Skipton in the morning. The incoming service was substantially late and so in a vain attempt to recover the diagram, Northern decided to run it non-stop to Skipton. This was clearly announced on platform and train. Great idea, which, if it had worked, would have put the set in Skipton in time for an almost on-time deaprture back to Leeds.

The train got as far as Shipley where, "cleverly", the preceding Bradford > Skipton stopper was NOT delayed by all of about 2 minutes to allow the (now) "express" to proceed at line speed; rather it was dispatched on time. And so the (now) "fast" train followed it stop/start arriving in Skipton something like 15 minutes after it should have departed for its return.

Not very joined-up thinking IMO.
Reminds me of early 2020 (January or February) when I was at Manchester Airport waiting for a Blackpool train which was running late. Control decided to rip out a couple station calls before Piccadilly to try & back time back.

What control didn't consider that the all station stopper went out in front and the 'express' Blackpool train caught up with it by Heald Green so lost more time.
 
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Not quite non-stop from Charing Cross to Hastings then ;) I think we can rule out that ever happening.

Skipping several intermediate stations is one thing but it's quite rare for a train to skip all intermediate stations, as per the thread title.

Indeed the example given in the opening post isn't actually within that definition, because it came from Whitby!
Whilst running non-stop (with passengers) is quite rare, I recall many years ago it was quite common with the Hastings diesels if they made a late start from the coast to miss out stations south of Tunbridge Wells. As someone answering telephone complaints (shows how long ago this was) I was prepared to defend this to irate travellers from Wadhurst and Etchingham etc but when the driver gave a cheery wave to them as he whizzed through was more difficult to explain.
 

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I was on a HS1 service not long BC (Before Covid) that left St Pancras late skipping Stratford, Ebbsfleet, Folkestone West and Folkestone Central.

If only they all did that :D
 

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Well there's an interesting example today. The 13.49 WMT from Eus to New Street left 59 late at 14.48. It got as far as Northampton at 15.39 and then ran non stop to new Street, not even calling at Coventry.. Arrived New Street just 16 late.
 

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London Marylebone - Aylesbury via Amersham services are often diverted via High Wycombe non stop in the event of disruption. Though during the peak these tend to be the Aylesbury Vale Parkway services so they do call at one station - Aylesbury - en route!

Unfortunately they rarely get a good path so end up taking longer this way in my experience
 

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A few weeks ago, I was waiting at Andover for an Exeter - Waterloo train. According to the platform indicators, it was marked as "Delayed", and eventually "Cancelled". A few minutes later, a couple of 159 units with passengers aboard ran past non-stop.

I looked at RTT and saw that the Exeter - Waterloo train I was waiting for had arrived in Salisbury shortly after the following Salisbury - Waterloo was due to depart. If I remember correctly, the Exeter - Waterloo ran non-stop from Salisbury, passengers for intermediate stations were transferred to the Salisbury - Waterloo service.
 
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I was going to a gig in Brixton and decided to jump off the Hastings train at Orpington and catch the stopper, more to avoid central London than save any time. Inbound service at Orpington came in the bay platform a bit late (only 5-10 minutes from memory), everyone got on. Then driver announced it would be running non-stop to Victoria at which point everyone got off again as this defeated the entire point of the service existing. I was the only one who stayed onboard and caught a train back out one stop from Victoria.
 

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A few weeks ago, I was waiting at Andover for an Exeter - Waterloo train. According to the platform indicators, it was marked as "Delayed", and eventually "Cancelled". A few minutes later, a couple of 159 units with passengers aboard ran past non-stop.

I looked at RTT and saw that the Exeter - Waterloo train I was waiting for had arrived in Salisbury shortly after the following Salisbury - Waterloo was due to depart. If I remember correctly, the Exeter - Waterloo ran non-stop from Salisbury, passengers for intermediate stations were transferred to the Salisbury - Waterloo service.
That's sadly common for SWR, they even do it even if the next train is an hour+ away.

Just means the passengers from Andover go on the stopper with a probable change at Basingstoke (if on a weekday)
 

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I have seen it happen on the CrossCity Line a couple of times, from whenever I have seen it the train will stop at Sutton Coldfield and then skip the intermediate stops until Birmingham New Street if it's severely delayed.

I suppose because pre covid the line was running at 10 min intervals between Four Oaks and Barnt Green it didn't matter too much about getting passengers to wait for the next train as it wouldn't have been a very long wait.
 
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Is it not just the Intercity TOCs who *don't* do it?
It happens on intercity journeys too. Had non stop Bristol Temple meads to Paddington once on an HST. We did end up waiting just outside Swindon and Reading though…
 

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As others have said, it's not an uncommon practice, particularly to try to revert to a regular headway in the event of late running.

What is somewhat less common is for such a service to be 'planned in advance', as will happen on the Southport - Liverpool Central line on Thursday 28 July. Due to the late start in service provision, following the Network Rail Strike which ends at 07:00 that morning, and in an attempt to get trains out to Hunts Cross in order to provide some sort of 'peak-hour' service into Liverpool from that end, there will be an 0700 departure from Southport which will run non-stop to Liverpool Central (0729), and an 0710 departure from Southport which will run non-stop to Sandhills (0736) - before these services then continue in their usual 'all-stops' patterns to Hunts Cross.

Details on Merseyrail's website here under the heading 'First Train Times - Thursday 28 July'.

 

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I did a non-stop from Brum Snow Hill to Worcester. It was late coming in and there was another worcester stopper in about 10 minutes (The one I had planned to catch)
A few difficult interviews for the guard with people who had boarded the train without looking at PIS or listening to announcements, who were travelling to intermediate stations.
 

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One afternoon about a month ago, after delays caused by a trespasser at Surbiton, three Portsmouth trains ended up close on each other's heels approaching Guildford. The front one was sent off fast to Fratton from p4, the second was put into p3 and eventually went forward calling at all stations, while the third followed the first into p4, overtook the second and ran semi-fast with stops at Godalming, Haslemere, Petersfield and Havant. There was a big crowd of slightly confused passengers switching between trains on platforms 3 and 4.
 

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Doesn't always work. Last autumn, I was travelling from Leeds to Skipton in the morning. The incoming service was substantially late and so in a vain attempt to recover the diagram, Northern decided to run it non-stop to Skipton. This was clearly announced on platform and train. Great idea, which, if it had worked, would have put the set in Skipton in time for an almost on-time deaprture back to Leeds.
Does anyone know what the quickest run Leeds - Skipton is non-stop?

Just wondering because I was coming back from Newcastle to Penrith and my train to Carlisle was cancelled so I ended up on the one an hour later (with taxi provided for me and the other 4 people on the train also going Newcastle ->Carlisle -> Penrith). The later train was the 1923 which along with the 1855 to Hexham are both formed from splitting the incoming train from Whitby. The 1855 was so delayed it actually set off at 1921 with announcements that it would only be stopping at Hexham (and hence skipping all of the other 8 stops it was scheduled to make). I've never noticed anything like this happen before - in general (not on that line specifically) does it happen that trains are told to skip all stations other than its destination, or is that quite rare
Seen many NMC - MAN trains run express when it’s been delayed from Sheffield. Best I’ve seen is 19mins
 

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Elizabeth line on its Heathrow branch does it all the time, and whilst with trains every 15 mins (and more at some of the stations along the line as they're having other trains too) if one is delayed 13-15 mins it just make sense, as there's next one running on time just behind it, but they don't have any system to it. Sometimes train delayed 17 mins stops everywhere, then another time train is delayed just 5 mins and skip all stops.
The shortest delay I've seen with cancelled all stops was just 3 mins.

And that's quite unfair to passengers from Hanwell, West Ealing and Acton Main Line that only get Heathrow trains every 15 mins.

It was only earlier this week that they made first train to London skip all stations because of a 10 min delay, and in the case of the first train, the second train is after 20 mins rather than 15.
 

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Does anyone know what the quickest run Leeds - Skipton is non-stop?
I've done it in 23 minutes, 9 seconds with an empty 333. They very kindly held a Bradford-Skipton passenger at Shipley for a couple of minutes to give me a clear run as the unit was urgently required at Skipton to replace a failed classmate on its return working.

Two or three years earlier, when the (then 3 car) 333s were undertaking mileage accumulation runs prior to entering service. We would do four non-stop night shift runs from Skipton to Kirkstall Loop and back - with special authority to travel at 100 mph on the normally 90 mph stretches North of Keighley when Siemens technicians were on board monitoring equipment performance. My personal record was just a fraction over 17 minutes in the Down direction.
 
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Well there's an interesting example today. The 13.49 WMT from Eus to New Street left 59 late at 14.48. It got as far as Northampton at 15.39 and then ran non stop to new Street, not even calling at Coventry.. Arrived New Street just 16 late.
Well I can't beat that but had a similar experience returning from London earlier this year. We were late into Northampton and then they made us all detrain and tramp over the footbridge to another pair of units waiting in the north end bays. Definitely a Delay Repay job, I thought to myself, after all, it has been many years since I have submitted one. Then, at Coventry it was announced that we would be running non-stop to New Street, which we did, including going through Platform 2 at Birmingham International. I ended up making my planned connection and all was well :D
 

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Last Sunday the 10:38 from Glasgow central to London was that late they cancelled the stops after Preston meaning it was nonstop all the way for the first time in years
 

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There was a heavily delayed Cross Country train last Saturday evening which unusually ran none stop Birmingham to Oxford, Oxford to Basingstoke (avoiding Reading) and Basingstoke to Southampton Central. It left Birmingham New Street 118 late and terminated short at Southampton Central 79 late.

But why when they're already hourly?

It kind of annoys me that train companies do this to kind of suit themselves and what about passengers waiting at the intermediate stations? They don't know their situations.

It's not like CrossCountry or even LNER to skip stations!
 

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I've done it in 23 minutes, 9 seconds with an empty 333. They very kindly held a Bradford-Skipton passenger at Shipley for a couple of minutes to give me a clear run as the unit was urgently required at Skipton to replace a failed classmate on its return working.

Two or three years earlier, when the (then 3 car) 333s were undertaking mileage accumulation runs prior to entering service. We would do four non-stop night shift runs from Skipton to Kirkstall Loop and back - with special authority to travel at 100 mph on the normally 90 mph stretches North of Keighley when Siemens technicians were on board monitoring equipment performance. My personal record was just a fraction over 17 minutes in the Down direction.
Amazing timings! Just imagine a 25min scheduled service for commuters once an hour before stoppers leave. The road traffic on the Leeds-Skipton corridor is just horrendous and takes an hour or more at peak times to drive
 

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Is this the fastest Manchester to Liverpool train in years? 31 minutes Oxford Rd to Lime St.
TPE used to run a non-stop express from Victoria which I think was timed at 35 minutes but regularly achieved 32.
Obviously the TPE now picks up stops at Lea Green and Newton le Willows, to the detriment of journey time.
 

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Getting the Reading West Curve in is pretty rare, and messes us the direction the unit(s) is/are in.
Not if it does the same on the return, which in the case of such late running during the day would happen. In this particular example though it goes ecs to Eastleigh to stable overnight, so running round the loop at EH depot could reverse the set again, putting it the right way around for its morning turn.
 

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An interesting one today. 1638 Merthyr to Bridgend via Barry was 42 min late at Cardiff Central and was sent main line to Bridgend non stop. Made up 31 minutes! How many trains skip stops by taking a different route?
 

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Picture the scene some time ago. Doncaster Platform 3 awaiting the arrival of a delayed Pacer for all shacks via Rotherham to Sheffield. Running 25 late and required to go on to Lincoln after Sheffield on a quick turn round.

The next all shacks was only a couple of minutes late, so it would leave about 6-7 minutes after the delayed train. So the delayed train was made non-stop to Sheffield and appropriate announcements made on the train, PIS and station. I was going to Sheffield so I stayed on board.

And I was glad I did, as we set of at some speed and ran on greens all the way until the approach to Sheffield. It was an exhilarating run with the Pacer flying along, with plenty of lurching and groaning. And liberal use of the horn too, to make passengers stand back as we flew through Meadowhall.

The train parked up in one of the bays at Sheffield just about 10 minutes late where with a snappy crew change, it was soon off to Lincoln. The driver was just leaving his cab as I walked past. I asked him if he had enjoyed the run and he replied that it was 'the best thing he had done for years with his clothes on '!

Happy memories - any journey on a Pacer was an adventure. :D
 

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I've experienced this several times on the South-Western at Kingston.
I've experienced this far too often - before I retired, barely a week went by without a train being non-stopped from Teddington to Waterloo or vice versa, thereby skipping the busiest stations on the route (Kingston and Norbiton) to ensure a service to the Shepperton branch (whose combined usage stats (2,202,478 for the six stations in pre-COVID days, 2019/20) were less than Norbiton's (2,283,210) and less than half of Kingston's (4650286). SWR and SWT alike treated Shepperton as an important desination and Kingston as a wayside halt. Running empty trains past crowded platforms seems a poor use of resources.
A favourite trick of "Control" was to terminate one train in the bay at Kingston, dumping all the London-bound passengers to catch the next train - and then run the next one through without stopping. The excuse that this was "to reduce congestion" did not go down well on what would inevitably become an extremely congested platform 3 (which has only very basic facilities because the main facilities are on platforms 1 and 2, on the down side, an arrangement dating from when the station was a terminus and not updated in the 150 years since it became a through station).
And far too often the run-through would not be routed on to the fast lines at New Malden, so simply joined the queue of stoppers on the slow lines and made up no time at all. Whether this was because "Control" forgot to tell the signallers of their intentions or some other reason I don't know.
To add insult to injury, the approach of a run-through wouild be anno0unced as "please stand back, the approaching train is not scehduled to call at this station", which everyone knew was not true - it WAS scheduled to call, but "Control" had other priorities than getting their clients to work on time and in comfort.
The station staff at Kingston were rarely of any help - seemingly having less information than that available to any passenger with a smartphone, rarely visible on the platform 3 unless there was a train present, and inclined to give out misinformation - on a recent occasion we were told "No trains to Waterloo" when in fact there was a train five minutes away (albeit going the long way round via Richmond)
I was given the excuse that a late arrival at Waterloo would cxause delays to spread to whichever line the train was scehduled to operate on next, which again shows that the staff knew less about the scheduling than could be easily determined from a smartphone (or indeed the pages of Modern Railways) Although some diagrams do cycle through several branches (what comes in from Chessington goes out to Guildford, then comes back and goes to Hampton Court, etc), the diagramming of both the Shepperton and Kingston Loop services are, and have been for many years, self contained.

Doesn't always work. Last autumn, I was travelling from Leeds to Skipton in the morning. The incoming service was substantially late and so in a vain attempt to recover the diagram, Northern decided to run it non-stop to Skipton. This was clearly announced on platform and train. Great idea, which, if it had worked, would have put the set in Skipton in time for an almost on-time deaprture back to Leeds.

The train got as far as Shipley where, "cleverly", the preceding Bradford > Skipton stopper was NOT delayed by all of about 2 minutes to allow the (now) "express" to proceed at line speed; rather it was dispatched on time. And so the (now) "fast" train followed it stop/start arriving in Skipton something like 15 minutes after it should have departed for its return.

Not very joined-up thinking IMO.
As I said in my earlier post, this lack of joined up thinking seems to be all too common. If a train is to run empty its headcode is chnaged from a Class 2 to a Class 5. Would it be possible, if a train is to "skip stop", to make it a class 1 to inform/remind the signalling staff? After all, the whole point of skip stopping is to make up time.

A recent failure of joined up thinking, resulting in both trains being delayed further, was a late decision to skip stop a delayed train, resulting in most of the passengers having to transfer to the next train (which was already waiting at the adjacent platform). However, one of those passengers was in a wheelchair, resulting in a further delay whilst staff and a ramp were found so that the passnger could leave the first train (and a different ramp to allow him to board the other one, as 455s and 707s need different ramps). This delayed the first train by a further seven minutes, completely wiping out any saving that might have been made by the skip-stopping. (The obvious solution would have been to skip all the stations except the one the wheelchair user was going to)
 
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A Weymouth - Waterloo recently ran Weymouth, Bournemouth, Southampton Central and Waterloo. Also a Portsmouth Harbour - Waterloo was started short at Fratton and ran fast to Waterloo if that counts?
 

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And far too often the run-through would not be routed on to the fast lines at New Malden, so simply joined the queue of stoppers on the slow lines and made up no time at all. Whether this was because "Control" forgot to tell the signallers of their intentions or some other reason I don't know.
A bit like when control rips out calls at Clapham Junction on London bound services from further afield, but don't tell the signallers who will route the train via the platform 7 loop with the resulting time penalty compared to the faster platform 8 route.
 
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