20901 & 20905

[ExRes]

20901 & 20905 returning to action after, according to facebook, 2 and 5 years respectively on todays 1010 0A24 Barrow Hill LIP to Leeds Balm Road FD for tyre turning

 

[Tractor37]

Headed back to Derby this afternoon - 14.22 departure from Midland Road

 

[ExRes]

Reported on Rail Scene facebook that 901 was dropped off at Barrow Hill with just 905 continuing to Derby RTC

 

[Alanko]

Do these belong to Harry Needles?

 

[ExRes]

Do these belong to Harry Needles?

Yes they do, according to WNXX they are going on hire to ROG for LU stock movements, 901 was dropped off at Barrow Hill for mechanical attention

 

[Suraggu]

Yes they do, according to WNXX they are going on hire to ROG for LU stock movements, 901 was dropped off at Barrow Hill for mechanical attention

ROG have a LU stock movement contract? Interesting...

 

[ExRes]

20905 straight into ROG action working this mornings 0918 5L46 Derby RTC to Ely Papworth Sidings top and tail with 37884 and four barrier vans

 

[dan4291]

20905 straight into ROG action working this mornings 0918 5L46 Derby RTC to Ely Papworth Sidings top and tail with 37884 and four barrier vans

Saw this at Helpston, nice surprise to see a class 20 on the mainline!

 

[3973EXL]

20901

Realtime Trains | 0L46 1153½ Barrow Hill L.I.P. to Ely Papworth Sdgs Gbrf | 23/05/2023

Real-time train running information for 0L46 1153½ departure from Barrow Hill L.I.P. to Ely Papworth Sdgs Gbrf on 23/05/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

 

[ExRes]

20901 & 20905 worked todays 1537 5M57 Ely Mlf Papworth Sidings to Derby RTC (NR) with the four barrier vans, it'll be interesting to see what ROG have planned for them

 

[Geeves]

901 and 905 were photoed coupling up to a long line of 153s at Ely so presumably they didn't end up moving the stock?

 

[Jacob Porrett]

Yes they do, according to WNXX they are going on hire to ROG for LU stock movements, 901 was dropped off at Barrow Hill for mechanical attention

What London Underground stock needs moving around the country then? What will happen to said rolling stock? Certainly be an interesting sight to see on the network in non London areas.

 

[ExRes]

What London Underground stock needs moving around the country then? What will happen to said rolling stock? Certainly be an interesting sight to see on the network in non London areas.

I'm sure there must be plenty of reference to this in the LU thread, taking info from good old wikipedia it seems that 94 trains have been ordered from Siemens for the Piccadilly line with options for a total of 250 for replacement of all existing deep level trains on the Central (100), Waterloo & City (10) and Bakerloo (40), presumably removal of the old stock after their replacements have been delivered would also be a serious consideration

 

[fgwrich]

901 and 905 were photoed coupling up to a long line of 153s at Ely so presumably they didn't end up moving the stock?

Likely there for shunting purposes - ROG do the shunting in Ely Papworth on behalf of Angel Trains, and with several HST vehicles leaving over the last few months, plus the continued departure of the 317s, some of the stock will need to be shuffled around. They'll also have to make space for the soon to be ex GWR Power Cars and sets returned to Angel soon as well.

 

[Geeves]

Thankyou Rich. Makes perfect sense though you'd think one 20 would be useful just stopping up there for moving things about. Nice run out anyway for someone!

 

[Suraggu]

Likely there for shunting purposes - ROG do the shunting in Ely Papworth on behalf of Angel Trains, and with several HST vehicles leaving over the last few months, plus the continued departure of the 317s, some of the stock will need to be shuffled around. They'll also have to make space for the soon to be ex GWR Power Cars and sets returned to Angel soon as well.

Even vehicles in cold storage need their axles rotating.

 

[Jacob Porrett]

I'm sure there must be plenty of reference to this in the LU thread, taking info from good old wikipedia it seems that 94 trains have been ordered from Siemens for the Piccadilly line with options for a total of 250 for replacement of all existing deep level trains on the Central (100), Waterloo & City (10) and Bakerloo (40), presumably removal of the old stock after their replacements have been delivered would also be a serious consideration

Oh yeah the new Tube trains. Makes sense now. Thank you for the information.

 

[The_Train]

I'd heard they were just going to be used for shunting at Ely, but I much prefer the idea of them hauling stock around the network

 

[Suraggu]

I'd heard they were just going to be used for shunting at Ely, but I much prefer the idea of them hauling stock around the network

I am lead to believe that is just one of the many things they will be doing with ROG.

 

[The_Train]

I am lead to believe that is just one of the many things they will be doing with ROG.

Sounds like this will be a longer term lease then? Maybe until the 93's are in service?

 

[ac6000cw]

The pair departing Ely station (heading back to Derby) on Friday:

 

[D365]

Probably my favourite modern Class 20 colours!

 

[ac6000cw]

Probably my favourite modern Class 20 colours!

One thing I didn't notice at the time, but shows up in a photo is that the front of 20901 has two shades of yellow - the lower 'panel' is a brighter (or more reflective) shade:

 

[sprinterguy]

One thing I didn't notice at the time, but shows up in a photo is that the front of 20901 has two shades of yellow - the lower 'panel' is a brighter (or more reflective) shade:

That's the yellow warning panel against the surrounding faded GBRf orange.

 

[Wyrleybart]

One thing I didn't notice at the time, but shows up in a photo is that the front of 20901 has two shades of yellow - the lower 'panel' is a brighter (or more reflective) shade:

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That is how GBRf paint their locos - a yellow warning panel subtly different to the yellow or orange on other parts of the loco. You'll notice the locos are in basic GBRf livery but with the logos removed or painted out.

 

[Jacob Porrett]

How long were this pair of 20s with GBRF until they moved elsewhere?

 

[fgwrich]

That is how GBRf paint their locos - a yellow warning panel subtly different to the yellow or orange on other parts of the loco. You'll notice the locos are in basic GBRf livery but with the logos removed or painted out.

Same, perhaps a little more surprisingly, as Network Rail's fleet. It's always struck me (and perhaps GBRf) as a little odd that, with the new regs in place, they haven't been able to drop the Yellow panel in it's entirety - admittedly it would only apply to locos like the newer 66s, 69s, or 92s, but still.

 

[northernbelle]

That is how GBRf paint their locos - a yellow warning panel subtly different to the yellow or orange on other parts of the loco. You'll notice the locos are in basic GBRf livery but with the logos removed or painted out.

GBRf did actually go through a period where it adopted a lighter 'sandier' tint of orange, such as that applied to 66741. I believe this met the regs and so doubled up as the warning panel without needing a separate shade to be applied.

 

[ac6000cw]

GBRf did actually go through a period where it adopted a lighter 'sandier' tint of orange, such as that applied to 66741. I believe this met the regs and so doubled up as the warning panel without needing a separate shade to be applied.

I was having a quick look through Flickr, and found one with two 66's in quite different shades of 'body' orange/yellow, so yes it's definitely changed over time - the front loco is yellow, the rear one orange (to my eyes):

GBRf 66701 66702 220221 by Steven Clements, on Flickr

 

[sprinterguy]

I was having a quick look through Flickr, and found one with two 66's in quite different shades of 'body' orange/yellow, so yes it's definitely changed over time - the front loco is yellow, the rear one orange (to my eyes):

GBRf 66701 66702 220221 by Steven Clements, on Flickr

That looks to me to just be 66701 still in its original livery after having a few years to fade, against 702 recently painted. The orange was quite vibrant on the first batch of locos when new.

I think there might be something there with 66741, though; looking at photos the delineation between orange and yellow panel appears much less distinct when newly painted.