HST vehicles at Yarmouth Docks for export to Mexico

[tricky18jan]

I’ve seen pics on Facebook of ex-gwr 43170 and an ex LNER mk3 coach at Great Yarmouth (Docks?)

Anyone happen to know why or what ?

I have seen Mexico mentioned in comments but nothing concrete other than wobble.

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thanks
Rich

Moderator note: Possible use in Mexico is covered in the following thread:

A HST to be used in Mexico?

Moderator note: Split from https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/hst-vehicles-at-yarmouth-docks.252882/ Why on earth are they going to Mexico?

www.railforums.co.uk

 

[superalbs]

I’ve seen pics on fb pf gwr 43170 and an ex LNER mk3 coach at Great Yarmouth (Docks?)

Anyone happen to know why or what ?

thanks
Rich

Richard Clinnick (railway journalist) says it's for export.

 

[tricky18jan]

Richard Clinnick (railway journalist) says it's for export.

I seen Mexico mentioned a few times but though that must be a wind up ???

 

[ExRes]

Loading started today at Great Yarmouth on to the BBC Arkhangelsk, one photo on Rail Scene facebook which shows a power car being lifted off a lorry and in mid air with a VTEC coach on the lorry behind, one power car and two more coaches can be seen waiting on the dock

 

[tricky18jan]

Seen posted that the power cars are;

43022
43158
43170

Coaches;

41091
41100
42179
44061

There were more but no ID’s

I could swear I seen a GA mk3 coach in the line up too!!!

Thanks
Rich

 

[TheSeeker]

Just saw this on Facebook. Anyone have any further information?

 

[trebor79]

Hope they're well strapped down for their journey across the Atlantic, or that's going to be a hold full of scrap metal when it arrives!

 

[Bigvernicus]

3 Power Cars 43022, 43158 & 43170 apparently with what looks like 9 Mk3 coaches.

 

[ac6000cw]

Looking at the large photo, I think a power car has just been lowered into the ship's hold, with two more waiting on the quayside.

 

[37114]

I am no lover of HSTs but you have to doff your hat to the engineering and design teams who developed them that after 50 years they are seen as still having a future as far away as Mexico.

 

[Speed43125]

Quite a schedule to get everything up and running if they're serious about starting service in Decemeber!

 

[adc82140]

We know the numbers of a few of the ex LNER mark 3s on board. From the photo, there is at least one ex FGW, and at least two ex EMT (which themselves are ex GC). I'm try and (and failing) a process of elimination to identify them. Any ideas?

 

[Trainguy34]

When are / did these leave Great Yarmouth and is there any way to track it?

 

[Western Gaffer]

When are / did these leave Great Yarmouth and is there any way to track it?

There's a marine equivalent of the likes of FlightRadar24, that allows real time tracking of all ships, so, based on the name mentioned on page one, you should be able to identify its position (currently still Great Yarmouth at time of posting) via:

Ship BBC ARKHANGELSK (General Cargo) Registered in Antigua Barbuda - Vessel details, Current position and Voyage information - IMO 9736212, MMSI 304888000, Call sign V2HG5

Vessel BBC ARKHANGELSK is a General Cargo, Registered in Antigua Barbuda. Discover the vessel's particulars, including capacity, machinery, photos and ownership. Get the details of the current Voyage of BBC ARKHANGELSK including Position, Port Calls, Destination, ETA and Distance travelled - IMO...

www.marinetraffic.com

 

[tiptoptaff]

There's a marine equivalent of the likes of FlightRadar24, that allows real time tracking of all ships, so, based on the name mentioned on page one, you should be able to identify its position (currently still Great Yarmouth at time of posting) via:

Ship BBC ARKHANGELSK (General Cargo) Registered in Antigua Barbuda - Vessel details, Current position and Voyage information - IMO 9736212, MMSI 304888000, Call sign V2HG5

Vessel BBC ARKHANGELSK is a General Cargo, Registered in Antigua Barbuda. Discover the vessel's particulars, including capacity, machinery, photos and ownership. Get the details of the current Voyage of BBC ARKHANGELSK including Position, Port Calls, Destination, ETA and Distance travelled - IMO...

www.marinetraffic.com

Only in AIS range. Once it's circa 100miles offshore, it won't be trackable. So you'll have it until its west of Ireland and then as it navigates the Gulf

 

[ST156]

Seen posted that the power cars are;

43022
43158
43170

Coaches;

41091
41100
42179
44061

There were more but no ID’s

I could swear I seen a GA mk3 coach in the line up too!!!

Thanks
Rich

For the two remaining LNER vehicles, my guess would be 44063 & 44094.

The photos on twitter show 3 x LNER TGS vehicles. With the exception of 44061 (reported above), I believe these were the only two remaining ex LNER TGS vehicles stored at Ely.

If my notes are correct, that leaves 2 x ex LNER Mk3s in store at Ely: 41087 & 40750.

Would be grateful if anyone could confirm!

 

[Defiance149]

Full list on this shipment is 41091, 41100, 42026, 42179, 42401, 42402, 42405, 44034, 44061, 44063, 44094.

 

[ST156]

The ship has left Great Yarmouth.

Destination currently showing as Castellon in Spain - so appears it will not be a direct trip across the Atlantic. Calling points en route!

BBC ARKHANGELSK, General Cargo Ship - Details and current position - IMO 9736212 - VesselFinder

Vessel BBC ARKHANGELSK (IMO: 9736212, MMSI: 304888000) is a General Cargo Ship built in 2020 and currently sailing under the flag of Antigua & Barbuda.

www.vesselfinder.com

 

[RobShipway]

The BBC Arkhangelsk is currently in the English Channel opposite Eastbourne. Not sure if it is visible from the shore line though in the drizzle and moderate breeze we are having today!

 

[tiptoptaff]

The BBC Arkhangelsk is currently in the English Channel opposite Eastbourne. Not sure if it is visible from the shore line though in the drizzle and moderate breeze we are having today!

Wouldn't see anything anyway, everything's in the hold

 

[ExRes]

Wouldn't see anything anyway, everything's in the hold

I wonder if the ships crew are in the coaches with their heads out of the windows waving

 

[Towers]

I bet the stock will arrive in Mexico, be unloaded from the ship, marshalled into a set/s and work fine straightaway.

Meanwhile, back in the UK, new stock lies in sidings for years due to numerous issues which are well documented...

The Good: Selling HSTs for further use
The Bad: Lack of sufficient operational stock in the UK
The Ugly: Procurement, construction and timely implementation of new UK stock

Well I hope they do a CDL test first!

 

[ExRes]

BBC Arkhangelsk currently passing through the Straits of Gibraltar en route to Corpus Christi from Castellon, estimated arrival in Texas 3rd September

 

[Morpethcurve]

"Only in AIS range. Once it's circa 100miles offshore, it won't be trackable. So you'll have it until its west of Ireland and then as it navigates the Gulf"

This site does the job:-

MarineTraffic: Global Ship Tracking Intelligence | AIS Marine Traffic

MarineTraffic Live Ships Map. Discover information and vessel positions for vessels around the world. Search the MarineTraffic ships database of more than 550000 active and decommissioned vessels. Search for popular ships globally. Find locations of ports and ships using the near Real Time ships...

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[Freightdog]

Any news on the arrival into Mexico of these units and any more to follow? Thanks

 

[Morpethcurve]

03:00 on the 8th according to the site in my previous link.

 

[tjlrailblue]

I wonder if the vehicles will go on a train ferry across the gulf of mexico next for their onward shipment???

would like to see the pics of that.


tim

 

[Freightdog]

03:00 on the 8th according to the site in my previous link.

Thanks

 

[ExRes]

The ship is currently underway from Corpus Christi to Coatzacoalcos so presumably the load is still aboard

 

[ac6000cw]

I wonder if the vehicles will go on a train ferry across the gulf of mexico next for their onward shipment???

There are several all-rail routes between the US and Mexico (and considerable cross-border freight that uses them), so no need for train ferries across the gulf. Railway map of that part of the world - https://www.openrailwaymap.org/?style=standard&lat=25.86910939099931&lon=-101.88720703125&zoom=6