Which train type will you miss the least when they are all withdrawn?

[Blindtraveler]

Ok so a long list from me

Deziros, especially the later variant that plagues the southeast in the guys of the 7xx family of units but they can all quite frankly pop off

80x of any derivative can indeed be driven off a cliff as someone else suggested

168 and 170

156, my least favourite of the sprinter family


Anything built by caf with the exception of the truly lovely 333

318 will be missed for their character but they've been kept going far too long and are now nasty unreliable things

385s are somewhere near the bottom of this list because I can't help wondering that if they put some decent seats in them and got rid of the latest batch of highly patronizing automated announcements as well as making the work a bit better especially in the toilet department that they might be okay but I stress the word might

 

[RUK]

Sprinters and Turbos, due to the lack of air conditioning.

 

[Trainguy34]

Turbostars, especially 171s. Bumpy, lumpy seats and uncomfortable.

 

[MattSGB]

220/221, but mostly because of the hell that Cross Country have turned them into.
Horrible seating layout (apart from the carriages with loads of tables), a reservation system that never works, a Faraday cage design that blocks mobile phone signals (is it the type of glass in the windows that causes this?), super-long routes that often don't even have a trolley service. I am forever scarred by some horrific journeys on these things, dangerously overcrowded with really *special* XC customer service. I used to quite enjoy them when Virgin had them running up to North Wales (despite the toilet smells).

I actually quite like a 150 with 2+2 seating. I'd definitely rather have a TfW 150 on a hot summer's day than a 158 with knackered air conditioning. When the air conditioning does work though, 158/159 is the class I'll probably miss most.

 

[D6975]

150/1, 220, 221, 390. All nasty things to travel on. IETs would be OK if they had proper seats.

 

[RobShipway]

They have already been taken out of service, but for me it is class 313 units with lack of toilets. Whilst, the 2+2 seating over the previous 3+2 seating is an improvement, the noise of the engines working on them should have been looked into before they moved to Southern.

 

[Dave91131]

196's.
197's.
220's.
221's.
231's.
360's.
450's.
700's.
701's.
707's.
720's.
730's.
745's.
755's.
756's.

 

[D6130]

They have already been taken out of service, but for me it is class 313 units with lack of toilets. Whilst, the 2+2 seating over the previous 3+2 seating is an improvement, the noise of the engines working on them should have been looked into before they moved to Southern.

Err....they don't have engines. They're electric!

 

[RobShipway]

Err....they don't have engines. They're electric!

Err... They have Electric Motor engines to power the bogies, which made them sound as if they are running on diesel rather than the quiet noise that you get with an Electrostar Electric motor.

 

[owidoe]

Sprinters and Turbos, due to the lack of air conditioning.

Turbos have air conditioning (only air cooling in the 165s); it's just hopeless and the hopper windows make it pointless anyway.

 

[D6130]

Err... They have Electric Motor engines to power the bogies, which made them sound as if they are running on diesel rather than the quiet noise that you get with an Electrostar Electric motor.

I think the sound you are referring to is probably that of the compressors which create the air pressure to work the brakes, doors, etc.

 

[Bletchleyite]

The LNR 319s can't go too soon. They are utterly knackered. Several now have no working heating, and short forms due to failures are common.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

150s for me...


That doesn't mean I don't think one of them shouldn't be preserved; one definitely should - maybe as a hybrid of one 150/1 and one 150/2 vehicle if not one complete unit of each.

 

[DelW]

I have split feelings on the 150s...

On one hand, I've always felt them cold and unwelcoming, with their basic seating, bright harsh lighting, and poor window / seat alignment.

But I can't help but be impressed by the way in which, despite their advanced years, they've stepped up to maintain routes that have been failed by newer faster stock, including running intensive diagrams that really needed higher top speeds. On the Marches and in the south west, they've kept services operating that otherwise would have fallen apart entirely.

I have to give them due credit for that. What stock will provide that reliable go-anywhere (well, almost) backup when they're gone?

 

[m79900]

Class 170s. They’re just bang average, and I couldn’t really care less about them.

 

[Ashley Hill]

IETs. I cannot find a thing to love about them. Or Voyagers.

 

[Sad Sprinter]

IETs. I cannot find a thing to love about them. Or Voyagers.

Agreed.

My choice is Networkers. They were so exciting as a child growing up after they were still fairly new.

 

[devon_belle]

I will miss 150s for the nostalgia (the brake rub ) , but after finally travelling on a 196 I now see that they far inferior so will not be missed.

 

[JD2168]

Class 150 for me. I will not miss the interior door between carriages slamming & swinging about when not shut properly & how the door intrudes on the side of the seats nearby.

 

[YourMum666]

Voyagers, Sprinters, Turbos, FLIRTs

 

[43096]

Except that the farewell railtour will probably sell out.

Yes, but it will only be a four car so very few will be able to book. For that really XC experience random people will turfed out of their seats by last-min-res people turning up.

 

[D6130]

Mark 1 coaching stock.

 

[Benters]

Voyagers and (Not So) SuperVoyagers

 

[Juniper Driver]

Oops, misread the thread title.
Doh!

 

[03_179]

700s - Uncomfortable. Not a lonfg distance train and should only be on local commuter routes.
230s - jJust plain NO!
8xxs - Not the most comfortable and now the things are everywhere.

 

[Samzino]

317s, 315s, 150s Basically all the Sprinters, Class 43s, Class 166s and Turbostars. Class 185s, Class 455 and 456s

 

[AGH]

319. Chat moss gets electrified in n 2015....yeah......and we get life expired cast offs. Don't even get me on the 323 but looks like I'll have to put up with them for a while.....any 350s going spare would be very welcome!

 

[bramling]

Yes, 150s should be top of the retirement list: they're excessively noisy with uncomfortable seating and a poor ambience.

Whilst I’ve historically been anti 150s, since GWR and TFW have sorted out the interior layout they have grown on me a lot. It’s also worth remembering that the class 150 is pretty rugged and reliable, indeed this has got both the above operators out of the brown stuff over the last couple of years where other fleets have tanked. For stuff like branch line work they seem fine to me, as long as their reliability holds up I wouldn’t be in too much of a rush to get rid.

 

[reddragon]

Anything with a diesel engine under the floor (noise) and the class 390 (no windows)

 

[Deepgreen]

Not limited to just passenger vehicles. Of all the rail vehicle types in use on the national network today, which ones will you be happy to see go?

For me its class 153. Noisy and cramped with awkwardly arranged vestibules. Poor performers too, often losing time.

Which of your two categories do these fit into?

theres truly no worse feeling than seeing a 150 allocated to the train youre catching, one thing ill give them though is there is always a seat available, unlike CAF's unorthodox approach of making every seat a table seat

Have you tried, for example, appendicitis?!