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Caledonian Sleeper

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Should be 100% back as it's over 60 minutes late.

Unless Cally have been upto their usual tricks in adjusting the timetable as the train was in motion to try and claim it was always due to arrive at 09:41.
Thank you. Changing of the timetable feels unlikely as I had 3 texts during the course of the morning. First saying something like 20 mins late, then 60 and then 75. I shall put my claim in today then. The concept of 100% of the money back feels odd as I had a bed for the night and slept well, but I may as well use the delay repay scheme as it exists.
 
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After my wife surprisingly announced she would like to take a trip on the sleeper I didn't hesitate and booked it for later this year through to Fort William.

We are now deciding what to do on arrival at Fort William, as that isn't a place I've ever admired. Options for a night are train to Mallaig, or bus to Oban or Inverness before getting the train back home.
How many nights will you be in the area? You could consider the Glenfinnan House Hotel https://glenfinnanhouse.com/

I have no connection with the hotel beyond having stayed there once when my itinerary changed at very short notice. I had time for a short cruise on Loch Shiel before resuming my travels.
 

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Interesting configuration on the northbound Fort William portion of the Highlander as it passed by this morning - just one locomotive and four coaches. Normally it is it two locos and 5 coaches.
 

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I think there may also be transport up Glen Nevis to the car park, from which there is an excellent walk up the gorge to Steall with its alpine-style meadow and waterfall (and the wire rope bridge if you're brave)
 

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As a first post on the site I'd have liked this to be a bit better, but it's a major 'groan' instead. :'(

Last Monday night my lady and I travelled all the way to Inverness on the Caledonian Sleeper in the Accessible Double compartment. The mattress was very comfy, the duvet was nice and warm, the compartment was nice and clean, the food in the Club Car was excellent, the staff were very helpful and polite, but the ride quality was APPALLING! <(

I know we were right over the bogie so got all the inputs unfiltered in any way, but both the vertical and lateral ride were rubbish, and it was very noisy and rattly too. More than once I felt the coach could have done with a tilt system if only ease the lateral ride quality!

I've only done that trip once before, in a single Club compartment, and while the ride wasn't exactly good it was a LOT better than last Monday/Tuesday's one. I have yet to discover what type of secondary suspension the CAF bogies use, but if there is any it's woefully under-specified and it seems to be deteriorating.

I'm the only human being to have ridden in 'Lab 24 Trestol' on its initial move out to the Old Dalby and its ride was so terrible I suggested that it should travel unmanned from then on, and it was. I reckon last Monday's ride was just as bad, and I only slept for the hour the train stopped at Edinburgh Waverly. CAF should be ashamed of themselves as those bogies are just not fit for purpose.

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Kit
 

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As a first post on the site I'd have liked this to be a bit better, but it's a major 'groan' instead. :'(

Last Monday night my lady and I travelled all the way to Inverness on the Caledonian Sleeper in the Accessible Double compartment. The mattress was very comfy, the duvet was nice and warm, the compartment was nice and clean, the food in the Club Car was excellent, the staff were very helpful and polite, but the ride quality was APPALLING! <(

I know we were right over the bogie so got all the inputs unfiltered in any way, but both the vertical and lateral ride were rubbish, and it was very noisy and rattly too. More than once I felt the coach could have done with a tilt system if only ease the lateral ride quality!

I've only done that trip once before, in a single Club compartment, and while the ride wasn't exactly good it was a LOT better than last Monday/Tuesday's one. I have yet to discover what type of secondary suspension the CAF bogies use, but if there is any it's woefully under-specified and it seems to be deteriorating.

I'm the only human being to have ridden in 'Lab 24 Trestol' on its initial move out to the Old Dalby and its ride was so terrible I suggested that it should travel unmanned from then on, and it was. I reckon last Monday's ride was just as bad, and I only slept for the hour the train stopped at Edinburgh Waverly. CAF should be ashamed of themselves as those bogies are just not fit for purpose.

Regards
Kit
I had room 9 twice last week... Which is at the end of the carriage and over the bogies (London-Edinburgh, and Inverness-London). Didn't wake up even once at night and had an excellent night sleep.
 

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Maybe it's all down to how you sleep. I have a friend who can go to bed at eight and wake up at six. I can't. I seem to only get 3 hours at the most
 

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As a first post on the site I'd have liked this to be a bit better, but it's a major 'groan' instead. :'(

Last Monday night my lady and I travelled all the way to Inverness on the Caledonian Sleeper in the Accessible Double compartment. The mattress was very comfy, the duvet was nice and warm, the compartment was nice and clean, the food in the Club Car was excellent, the staff were very helpful and polite, but the ride quality was APPALLING! <(

I know we were right over the bogie so got all the inputs unfiltered in any way, but both the vertical and lateral ride were rubbish, and it was very noisy and rattly too. More than once I felt the coach could have done with a tilt system if only ease the lateral ride quality!

I've only done that trip once before, in a single Club compartment, and while the ride wasn't exactly good it was a LOT better than last Monday/Tuesday's one. I have yet to discover what type of secondary suspension the CAF bogies use, but if there is any it's woefully under-specified and it seems to be deteriorating.

I'm the only human being to have ridden in 'Lab 24 Trestol' on its initial move out to the Old Dalby and its ride was so terrible I suggested that it should travel unmanned from then on, and it was. I reckon last Monday's ride was just as bad, and I only slept for the hour the train stopped at Edinburgh Waverly. CAF should be ashamed of themselves as those bogies are just not fit for purpose.

Regards
Kit

It seems to be part of the race to the bottom with these track friendly lightweight skateboard type bogies. CAF and Hitachi seem to provide the worst ride quality with the noisiest of brakes. Bombardier’s isn’t much better. Siemens seems to have cracked it. It’s the jittery nature of them along with the deep rumble of the brakes that I find annoying. I’ve done the Caley Sleeper a number of times with the Mk5s (both seated and berth) and certainly not enjoyed it as much as the Mk3s.
 

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Looks like 1M11 Glasgow to London (diverted as planned via ECML) terminated at Newcastle with set ecs to London.
 

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What would be the the reason that the Caley Sleeper isn't running at Edinburgh portion in June on the lowlander ?



Yes shows on their website!
 
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What would be the the reason that the Caley Sleeper isn't running at Edinburgh portion in June on the lowlander ?



Yes shows on their website!
The Edinburgh carriages will just detach at Edinburgh so don’t need a separate path.

Ignore, thought this was an ECML divert.
 

Tetragon213

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Should be 100% back as it's over 60 minutes late.

Unless Cally have been upto their usual tricks in adjusting the timetable as the train was in motion to try and claim it was always due to arrive at 09:41.
How does that work? Surely Cally can't just unilaterally change the timetables on the fly, especially when so much printed media exists with the timetable?
 

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What would be the the reason that the Caley Sleeper isn't running at Edinburgh portion in June on the lowlander ?



Yes shows on their website!
Perhaps I'm missing something, but that services shows as dividing at Carstairs as usual, with 1S26 continuing to Glasgow and 1B26 heading to Edinburgh.

 

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Perhaps I'm missing something, but that services shows as dividing at Carstairs as usual, with 1S26 continuing to Glasgow and 1B26 heading to Edinburgh.

I missed that.
Thanks
 

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Is there a smoother service when the CS uses the East Coast Mainline?

I am also someone who struggles to sleep on the, Sleeper..*

*It's not as if I can plan a trip based on usage of the ECML, just curious about it.
 

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Are there any issues tonight with the Fort William departure? I've heard they're taxiing passengers from Fort William to Kingussie to join the portion ex Inverness.
But the arrival into Fort William seems to be running this morning
 

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Northbound Lowlander is currently stuck at Kensal Rise, while doing an extra diversion (should have gone Primrose Hill) in addition to the main diversion via the East Coast.
1S26? It’s moving, just past Hampstead Heath 23:10, so roughly 35 min late.
 

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As a first post on the site I'd have liked this to be a bit better, but it's a major 'groan' instead. :'(

Last Monday night my lady and I travelled all the way to Inverness on the Caledonian Sleeper in the Accessible Double compartment. The mattress was very comfy, the duvet was nice and warm, the compartment was nice and clean, the food in the Club Car was excellent, the staff were very helpful and polite, but the ride quality was APPALLING! <(

I know we were right over the bogie so got all the inputs unfiltered in any way, but both the vertical and lateral ride were rubbish, and it was very noisy and rattly too. More than once I felt the coach could have done with a tilt system if only ease the lateral ride quality!

I've only done that trip once before, in a single Club compartment, and while the ride wasn't exactly good it was a LOT better than last Monday/Tuesday's one. I have yet to discover what type of secondary suspension the CAF bogies use, but if there is any it's woefully under-specified and it seems to be deteriorating.

I'm the only human being to have ridden in 'Lab 24 Trestol' on its initial move out to the Old Dalby and its ride was so terrible I suggested that it should travel unmanned from then on, and it was. I reckon last Monday's ride was just as bad, and I only slept for the hour the train stopped at Edinburgh Waverly. CAF should be ashamed of themselves as those bogies are just not fit for purpose.

Regards
Kit
I didn't travel on the Mk3 stock much but I'm sure I remember it being a smoother ride.

That said, I sleep like a baby as long as I have something horizontal to sleep. So I only really notice the ride quality if I'm awake and doing something. I normally head to the club car not long after joining at Edinburgh, then straight to bed until around 6.
 

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I didn't travel on the Mk3 stock much but I'm sure I remember it being a smoother ride.

That said, I sleep like a baby as long as I have something horizontal to sleep. So I only really notice the ride quality if I'm awake and doing something. I normally head to the club car not long after joining at Edinburgh, then straight to bed until around 6.
If you want to compare, GWR still uses Mk3s on the Night Riviera.

I found the Riviera to be a very smooth ride. A pair of different friends who did different journeys on the Caledonian had some... "disparaging" (read: very heartfelt and non-RF friendly language) comments about the Mk5s.

Is tea/coffee/hot chocolate complimentary on the Caledonian as it is on the Riviera? Or do they force you to pay the full railway markup for it?
 

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Wasn’t moving when I posted that. Yes it has now passed Camden Road.

It was stopped at Kensal Rise for approx 30 mins. I’d be very interested to know what the issue was.
Requested to divert to Kensal Rise to meet an ambulance to deal with a suspected heart attack on board.
 

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If you want to compare, GWR still uses Mk3s on the Night Riviera.

I found the Riviera to be a very smooth ride. A pair of different friends who did different journeys on the Caledonian had some... "disparaging" (read: very heartfelt and non-RF friendly language) comments about the Mk5s.

I've taken the Night Riviera just a couple of times. On both occasions, I'd just finished a hiking+camping trip, had eaten a meal cooked on a camping stove, so got on the train, brushed my teeth, went straight to sleep, and woke up when we arrived in Paddington. So a bit tricky to compare! I can say that I sleep perfectly well on both sleepers, but can't really comment on how smooth the ride is. If anything I think the rumbling helps me sleep! I guess there is also the question of different routes in turn having different line speeds, points, etc.

Is tea/coffee/hot chocolate complimentary on the Caledonian as it is on the Riviera? Or do they force you to pay the full railway markup for it?
Officially? No. But, often when I take the Caledonian Sleeper nowadays I'm heading down to London for work, and I get some unsociable-hour work in in the club car. I am yet to be charged for coffee at 3am. I normally get 2-3 cups of coffee, with wee biscuits, and don't get charged. But then they might realise I'm a club passenger and am getting brekkie included and just mentally roll it up?

I've not really been awake much on the Mk3s, so just don't have much to compare it to.
 

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I don't think there's much debate that the ride on the mk5s is worse than on the mk3s, is there?
 

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I don't think there's much debate that the ride on the mk5s is worse than on the mk3s, is there?
A couple of weeks ago I travelled on the Caledonian Sleeper and Night Riviera pretty much back to back, and honestly I didn’t feel like there was much in it. What I did notice on the mk3 was that it was much noisier. Fixtures in the cabin rattled and I could hear the gangways squeaking very loudly, despite being almost half way down the coach. Meanwhile the mk5 was almost silent, except for a bit of bogie rumble. Being much lower pitched, I found this noise far less disturbing. Overall I had a much easier time falling and staying asleep on the mk5.
 

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A couple of weeks ago I travelled on the Caledonian Sleeper and Night Riviera pretty much back to back, and honestly I didn’t feel like there was much in it. What I did notice on the mk3 was that it was much noisier. Fixtures in the cabin rattled and I could hear the gangways squeaking very loudly, despite being almost half way down the coach. Meanwhile the mk5 was almost silent, except for a bit of bogie rumble. Being much lower pitched, I found this noise far less disturbing. Overall I had a much easier time falling and staying asleep on the mk5.

Not the first time I've heard this critique. What the mk5s lack in terms of smooth ride, they make up for in almost every other way.
 

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