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Trains cancelled between Manchester Oxford Road, Bolton and Preston 0700 this morning. Electric wires down near Oxford Road is what they are saying. Does anyone have further details? Several trains held or cancelled at Manchester Airport.
Trains being turned back at Bolton, MCV (Saltburn or York), MIA (from Crewe) and Warrington Bank Quay even (N Wales).
The Warrington Central line doesn't seem so badly affected, though considerable delays.
 
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@Francis. This may possibly be the incident. .

Incident: Manchester Piccadilly | National Rail

Lines reopened: normal service resumed at Manchester Piccadilly. Find details of all current incidents on National Rail Enquiries.
www.nationalrail.co.uk www.nationalrail.co.uk

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Loss of power to the overhead electric wires at Manchester Piccadilly means some lines are disrupted. As a result, trains running to / from and through this station may be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes.

Disruption is expected to continue until 11:30.
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I was supposed to be travelling on the 1017 From Haymarket to Manchester Piccadilly and then getting the 1351 Buxton train to Whaley Bridge.

I suppose I'll change at Preston, I don't think a 4 minute connection from 4 to 2 (assuming the Avanti train is on time) for the Manchester Airport train is doable so it'll probably be 1352.

I'm quite cheesed off even though I only paid £1 for the Haymarket to MAnchester tickets.
 
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standish1 said:
Now delays until 13.30pm
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Indeed. The linked National Rail reference in post #2 has subsequently been updated.

Presume the worst impact will be on anything that runs through platforms 13 and 14 at Manchester Piccadilly.
 
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Mcr Warrior said:
Indeed. The linked National Rail reference in post #2 has subsequently been updated.

Presume the worst impact will be on anything that runs through platforms 13 and 14 at Manchester Piccadilly.
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RTT shows that the 1117 Airport to Blackpool and 1026 Blackpool to Airport have now both made it through RT, so the wires must be live again.
 
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Acfb said:
I was supposed to be travelling on the 1017 From Haymarket to Manchester Piccadilly and then getting the 1351 Buxton train to Whaley Bridge.

I suppose I'll change at Preston, I don't think a 4 minute connection from 4 to 2 (assuming the Avanti train is on time) for the Manchester Airport train is doable so it'll probably be 1352.

I'm quite cheesed off even though I only paid £1 for the Haymarket to MAnchester tickets.
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Did you have to wait for the 1217 Transpennine to MIA, or did Avanti let you catch the 1058 9M54 to EUS via BHM and the Northern from Preston to MIA?

I had a £1 Transpennine Preston 0800--Penrith 0856 advance ticket. Arrived at Chorley to find the 0711 Blackpool cancelled (30 mins connection at Preston) and the 0742 Blackpool (2 mins connection at Preston) looking very unlikely. The guy in Chorley ticket office said I wouldn't be able to go on a later train from Preston to Penrith because I had split tickets. Was he correct? I thought that provided you had left the required time to change trains, and the fault was theirs, they had to let you use the next service. Ironic when Northern and TP are both in government hands.

In the event I gave up and went back home, things looked to be in such a mess.
 
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Francis said:
I had a £1 Transpennine Preston 0800--Penrith 0856 advance ticket. Arrived at Chorley to find the 0711 Blackpool cancelled (30 mins connection at Preston) and the 0742 Blackpool (2 mins connection at Preston) looking very unlikely. The guy in Chorley ticket office said I wouldn't be able to go on a later train from Preston to Penrith because I had split tickets. Was he correct? I thought that provided you had left the required time to change trains, and the fault was theirs, they had to let you use the next service. Ironic when Northern and TP are both in government hands.
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You are right and the guy in Chorley ticket office is wrong.
If you have advance tickets and a connection between tickets which meets the minimum interchange time for the station at which you're making the connection, then if your first train is delayed and your connection is missed you may take a later service from the same operating company as your missed train. It doesn't matter whether you have one or two tickets.
It's completely standard and anyone who works in any way connected with railway ticketing should know this.
EDIT Last week I travelled Edinburgh-Crewe on an advance ticket, and I bought a separate (cheap) Northern advance Crewe-Wilmslow to connect from it, knowing that if the train from Edinburgh had been late I could have taken a later Northern service to get me back to Wilmslow. In the end it didn't matter because my Edinburgh train was on time.
 
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Not to sure whether the wires have actually been fixed as National Rail are reporting delays/cancellations up until end of service tonight:

Incident: Manchester Piccadilly | National Rail

Lines reopened: normal service resumed at Manchester Piccadilly. Find details of all current incidents on National Rail Enquiries.
www.nationalrail.co.uk www.nationalrail.co.uk
 
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You couldn't write this could you but no sooner they've fixed the problems between Manchester Piccadilly and Oxford Road there's now similar problems between Piccadilly and Airport this morning which are reportedly due to last until end of service today.
 
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M60lad said:
You couldn't write this could you but no sooner they've fixed the problems between Manchester Piccadilly and Oxford Road there's now similar problems between Piccadilly and Airport this morning which are reportedly due to last until end of service today.
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It was never “fixed”, the problem is still ongoing, the location was the Manchester Picc area after numerous occasions of trying to pinpoint the fault in the first place but not a quick fix by any means.
 
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Northern have cancelled the xx56 (Blackpool North) and xx48 (Manchester Airport) for the entirety of the day. It's surprising these haven't been curtailed to a Blackpool North to Bolton service with passengers alighting for services to/from Victoria.
 
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Northern have cancelled the xx56 (Blackpool North) and xx48 (Manchester Airport) for the entirety of the day. It's surprising these haven't been curtailed to a Blackpool North to Bolton service with passengers alighting for services to/from Victoria.
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Saltburn - Manchester Airport has been curtailed to Victoria for majority of today as well
 
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td97 said:
Northern have cancelled the xx56 (Blackpool North) and xx48 (Manchester Airport) for the entirety of the day. It's surprising these haven't been curtailed to a Blackpool North to Bolton service with passengers alighting for services to/from Victoria.
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It would be easy if these trains were crewed entirely from the Blackpool end but they are crewed from Blackpool, Manchester Victoria, Manchester Piccadilly, Buxton and Wigan, with many changeovers happening at Manchester Oxford Road. Getting those crews to/from Bolton would cause major issues.
 
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weastebusdepot said:
Some of them have become Saltburn - Eccles as they were yesterday.
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ECS to Eccles to wait time (if the turnback is full) before returning to start the service 2 hours later, if they sign it. 5P75 looks like its going to stand on the chord.
 
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And now 5P77 has reached Eccles.

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I had planned to make a Saturday visit to Poulton-le- Fylde by train from Manchester Airport, but recent reported matters have decided me to cancel that visit and go there on the following Saturday instead.
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Next weekend will be the same as this one with one Northern Manchester Airport - Blackpool North via Wigan North Western train per hour and one TPE Manchester Airport to Preston via Piccadilly replacement bus per hour. But pot luck as to how many of the Northern trains will be cancelled "due to a short notice change to the timetable" (more cancellations on Sunday than Saturday if the past few weeks have been anything to go by).
 
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Next weekend will be the same as this one with one Northern Manchester Airport - Blackpool North via Wigan North Western train per hour and one TPE Manchester Airport to Preston via Piccadilly replacement bus per hour. But pot luck as to how many of the Northern trains will be cancelled "due to a short notice change to the timetable" (more cancellations on Sunday than Saturday if the past few weeks have been anything to go by).
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Many thanks for this advice. I have spoken to one of my twin sons who has no work commitments on the next two weekends and he will drive us there and back.
 
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Francis said:
Did you have to wait for the 1217 Transpennine to MIA, or did Avanti let you catch the 1058 9M54 to EUS via BHM and the Northern from Preston to MIA?

I had a £1 Transpennine Preston 0800--Penrith 0856 advance ticket. Arrived at Chorley to find the 0711 Blackpool cancelled (30 mins connection at Preston) and the 0742 Blackpool (2 mins connection at Preston) looking very unlikely. The guy in Chorley ticket office said I wouldn't be able to go on a later train from Preston to Penrith because I had split tickets. Was he correct? I thought that provided you had left the required time to change trains, and the fault was theirs, they had to let you use the next service. Ironic when Northern and TP are both in government hands.

In the event I gave up and went back home, things looked to be in such a mess.
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We got the 1058 Avanti which was on time as far as Carlisle. It arrived into Preston at 1319, slightly delayed because the Barrow-Manchester Airport train was in front of it. The 1319 was cancelled anyway as were lots of other Manchester Airport- Blackpool North services and trains that used platform 13 and 14 were cancelled throughout the day. We then got the 1353 train to Manchester Airport which arrived at Manchester Piccadilly on time at 1445 even with the additional calls at Adlington and Blackrod. We had enough time to get to the 1451 Buxton train on Platform 11 going down the down the steps and catching the eye of the driver. The conductor OKed our 1351 advance tickets on the platform before we got on and it was fine. The rides on both the 331 and the refurbished 150 were both quite pleasant.

The woman in the ticket office at Haymarket wasn't sure whether we'd have to buy new advanced tickets at Manchester Piccadilly or not. We couldn't really ask her that much as she was dealing with other problems from other customers such as a cancelled LNER train to Aberdeen.


I was just concerned about what would happen at Piccadilly but it worked out.

We've got £1 tickets for the 1145 from Manchester Victoria to Leeds tomorrow as well but we'll probably get a reasonably early train from Whaley Bridge tomorrow and then have a leisurely morning in Manchester.
 
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They've found the cause (posted on NR Man Picc twitter earlier) looks like its the return conductor wire has burnt through near to Mayfield Loop. I've heard a full repair is going to be done Saturday night/Sunday morning. Electric trains aren't running on the slows between Slade Lane/Ardwick Jn and the last gantry of 5 signals. The signallers have certainly been juggling plenty of trains and making things work the best they can.
 
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43095john said:
Saltburn - Manchester Airport has been curtailed to Victoria for majority of today as well
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Yes, I was one one and the PA announced that TPE tickets would be accepted on the trams from MCV to the airport.

That didn't affect me as my onward train was from MCV northwards, on a diesel!
 
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Yes, I was one one and the PA announced that TPE tickets would be accepted on the trams from MCV to the airport.

That didn't affect me as my onward train was from MCV northwards, on a diesel!
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It certainly made me remember just how slow the Manchester Airport tram is. I’m glad I planned to get to MIA three hours before my flight on Friday.
 
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