777034 was in service today, I was on it twice,
777034 h 0906 West Kirby- West Kirby
777034 h 1406 West Kirby- West Kirby
777021 and 777032 arrived on Kirkdale depot at around 1600 (on a test run?), unusually operating in an 8 car formation.
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Merseyrail Class 777 introduction updates
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777034 h 0906 West Kirby- West Kirby
777034 h 1406 West Kirby- West Kirby
777021 and 777032 arrived on Kirkdale depot at around 1600 (on a test run?), unusually operating in an 8 car formation.
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021 and 032 involved in a minor collision in Birkdale Sidings a few weeks ago apparently, presumably returning from there? Apologies if they've been moved since, not keeping track.
DJH1971
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Any news why in store?
childwallblues
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No but 043 and 045 have joined it.
MTN 24J
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Have noticed external announcements on 777150 and 777140 asking people to stand behind the yellow line just before the train departs. Simple but effective! I assume this will be rolled out across the whole fleet.
I think it's a simple case of there not being enough space to park them up here whilst we still have 507s knocking around.
FrodshamJnct
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Issues already this morning with a train fault on the Wirral Line meaning the 0752 from Chester was cancelled.
There's a unit stuck at Ormskirk at the moment too (2G31), as well as another one consequently stuck at Aughton Park (2O11). Services now starting and terminating at Town Green.
Liverpool 507
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777034 entered service yesterday (Tuesday 6th Feb) beginning with 5W06 06:45 Kirkdale C.S. - West Kirby.
They've been working together on test between Kirkdale and Hillside, back and forth. These are the first two units to conduct day time 8 car testing.
I have noticed these announcements on 777004 and 777023 both internally and externally on Southport line services. The PIS screens are also displaying 'I'm terminating' on services terminating at Liverpool Central from Ormskirk, as well as 'I'm Not in Service'.
Bletchleyite
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They're on lanyards aren't they?
trainophile
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There was one in Southport this afternoon about 16:30 with "Not in Service" all over it, but there were people sat on it and RTT seems to suggest it ran to normal timings, no gaps showing anyway. I *think* it was 777007 but can't be sure as I forgot again after leaving the station.
Sam 76
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I believe it doesn’t change onto the destination at Southport until 2 mins before departure
paddyb6
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Hard to tell, some are, some aren't, appears to be preference of the Train Manager? Not sure what the official advice is.
To be fair I can't imagine it'd be any different to the guard dropping their T Key down on the old stock.
Where I work it's not unheard of for ticket machines, keys, glasses etc to be dropped down the side of/ under the train
Could the problems be that these trains were originally supposed to be run without guards and be driver controlled, then the change to having a guard/driver despatch might be causing some of the issues we are seeing on a daily basis.
As I understand it the majority of the issues are either PIS, step/door faults (jamming), DOO Cameras and a few which have stopped and refused to move again.
Presumably a lot of the faults mean that the train will not move, even with various things isolated. Otherwise, the passengers would be kicked off within five minutes and the train sent on its way empty. No way they would be messing about fault finding for 20 minutes on the loop in Liverpool. I have noticed that a lot of them have working PIS on the inside but the exterior screens say Not In Service. I'm surprised that is even possible.
Lewisham2221
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I'm sure I recall reading (much)earlier in the thread that the RFID despatch system is somehow intertwined with the PIS.
The RFID receiver is integrated into the door closing/status display panel (I posted a link to the manufacturer's website a couple of pages ago), so runs on the same comms network that controls the doors, which is what you would expect (Stadler were going for minimal hardware changes for the mod, by the looks of it - no extraa wiring required). I suspect it would be a function of the Train Managment System software, rather than the PIS (though both of those systems may be separate software processes running on the same processing platform).
Lewisham2221
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Found the post I was referring to and quoted it below:
Fair enough but that doesn't explain the difference in internal and external displays. Though the text linked in your post #6561 probably explains why they are so temperamental. So many interlinked things and any one of them going wrong seems to cause chaos.
Lewisham2221
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Yes, sorry, that's what I was trying to imply. If so many systems are interlinked it just seems like a recipe for chaos IMO
ExRes
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Does anyone know if 029, 043 & 045 are at Long Marston simply for storage or whether anything electrical/mechanical is being done to them?
DJH1971
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Sounds like they are there until some more 507's are withdrawn and sent to Simms, as not enough room at Kirkdale or Birkenhead at the moment.
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Thanks both.
The_Train
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I think I counted 9 tweets from Merseyrail indicating various train faults causing delays in different locations yesterday. Granted some of these could be the older fleet as I never delved into it, but a safe bet from this amount of issues that a good percentage were 777s. I've not checked today but the performance levels are abysmal right now
FrodshamJnct
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Issues again today all over the place.
The_Train
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I get that the PEPs basically ran out of time with respect to working hours prior to exams but it still seems crazy to me that they have reduced that fleet so dramatically and continued to bring more 777s into service despite issues from the early days of their introduction still seemingly not corrected. It has the feel of someone with a gambling addiction chasing their losses and just adding to their problems
Not all of them. 508103, 104, 108, 114, 120, 131, 136, 139, 141 all not long been overhauled and years worth of miles/hours remaining. 507019 also not long off overhaul but believe it sustained damage in an incident and was deemed not worth repairing. I believe with the 508s they just didn't want to pay to extend the leases.