I agree up to a point, and obviously defer to your experience as you are in the industry IIRC. But at some point there is going to have to be a first time in the peak and the only way train crew will get used to different methods of driving/ dispatch at busy times is by doing it. Switching one out and back peak diagram would allow a gradual ramp up of the service and this shouldn't be too difficult on a Windsor circuit as these diagrams are self contained anyway.
But aren't driver managers driving these trains, so the intended drivers are not getting any experience at all?
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I've not followed all of this thread so it nay have been answr4ed in post X, but when the 701 were being procured, were any drivers and guards involved in the process? After all they would be the ones using it day in, day out.
Yes, no rush after four years of farce!
Thanks. I realise nothing is ever simple.. presumably one could come out of Feltham depot or Staines sidings though to avoid the Wimbledon issue? Or they could just run an extra trip in the peak instead of the middle of the day. Plenty of capacity on the Windsor lines in the peak with the removal of services.
It's 043 I caught it at Twickenham on it's second trip to Windsor
Just a bit. Windsor lines in the peaks have lost a lot of capacity, as well as off peak.
I’ve only seen DIs (Driving Instructors) drive them.
What exactly is the purpose of these additional services? And what is the chance that it’s another 701 diagramAre these new 701 diagrams ?
It’s only one round trip and it’s an additional Windsor and Eton riverside service
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That’s good news! 2 701s in public use on the same day!
my understanding is that they are the first of the "normal" drivers at various depots to be trained and they seem happy with the sets.
Yes, I've found that. Same as on the 450s, where I always avoid a seat if there's a pillar next to it.
Not surprising, it must be very embarrassing.Government has blocked a BBC request for cost of how much money was being paid to Rock Rail, the owner of the trains that are not carrying any passengers, as well as asking for the cost of storing unused trains. BBC also inquired about the cost of retaining and maintaining other rolling stock where the leases have been extended to cover the absence of the new trains.
Cost of delayed Arterio train fleet withheld by government
Transport officials refuse to reveal the cost of trains that are more than four years overdue.www.bbc.co.uk
Apparently 71 of 90 units now accepted, does anyone have a list of 19 not yet accepted. I know it includes some early units which needed rework
According to that SWR brief that was shared on a post on this thread the shadow running services will be used for staff training, so that's presumably what's happening.
At least the mainstream media is now on to it.
Only 3 or 4 units have actually run a service haven't they? It feels like a lot needs to happen quite quickly for things to start ramping up in spring.
It actually states 769 drivers will be trained.
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Only 4 more 701s to be built right ? Or are they already built ?701529
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I suppose it depends how you define "proper introduction into service". I assume you mean that to be every unit in service, whereas for me it means the first couple of units on all-day diagrams.
Should have all been built by now. The production line was due to be closed last month.
Twenty drivers a month (well four weeks) seems like agony. That's 77 fortnights (769 / 10 rounded up) or 154 weeks (77 x 2), that's almost three years (nearly 156 weeks).
The trains will nearly be off lease by then! (Ok, slight exageration)
