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2024 Fare Revision
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redreni
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Rail subsidies are not high by European standards.
Ticket prices don't necessarily have to rise (see above).
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Subsidy in the UK compared to Other Countries
Moderator Note - split from https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/2024-fare-revision.259725/ In 2008 total Government support was £8.053bn In 2022 it was £21.1bn https://dataportal.orr.gov.uk/media/1541/table-7270-government-support-to-the-rail-industry.ods The subsidy per passenger km in...
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As with the last three years, there is no advance sale date for the new fares, so they shouldn't be displayed until they come into effect.
That doesn't mean they won't accidentally be shown early, of course.
trainophile
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So with a bit of luck we can continue to buy Advance tickets at the current rates for travel well after the increase date.
miklcct
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Are TfL fares outside London (for example, Zone 3 - Watford Junction) frozen this year? Also, are TfL-Ang (fares on the Anglia route) fares, and the Heathrow premium on the Elizabeth line frozen as well?
The vast majority of TfL fares are frozen (this includes journeys from any Zone (excluding 1) to WFJ).
The Z1-Shenfield fare (set by GA) and Z2/3-Shenfield, Z1/3-Brentwood fares (set by TfL) will increase; the other Schedule B fares and Heathrow Elizabeth line add-ons are frozen.
Daily and weekly caps will increase.
Full lists are in MD3221 Appendix 1. For other TOC and through fares, see the main MD3221 document (but ignore Annex Tables A6/A7, which erroneously quote last year's caps and Travelcard prices).
Argh! Wish I'd seen that earlier. They've always been in the appendix section before.
Annex Table A1 in the MD3221 is also incorrect as it shows last year's increases for the TOC fares. For example the Zone 1-4 peak fare is shown as increasing from £4.60 to £4.90, and off peak from £3.40 to £3.60 in March 2024, but the current fares are already £4.90 and £3.60 - so I imagine these are increasing
trainJam
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Why are the increased fares not shown in online journey planners in advance, but are shown when I select tickets for future travel on a station Ticket Vending Machine?
Would ticket offices sell the old or new fares? What is the reason why it is not the same?
Would ticket offices sell the old or new fares? What is the reason why it is not the same?
Haywain
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They shouldn't be shown on a TVM, and tickets should be sold at the current price.
Cock-up rather than conspiracy.
YorkRailFan
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TSSA dubs rail fares rise ‘outrageous’
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It's a tricky subject, NR needs more funding and the most logical way to get NR more funding is to raise fares.
Wallsendmag
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Rather a few of those around this time.
It’s slightly annoying that I can’t immediately find the price of a day return Wilmslow-Stockport bought on the day next Thursday, I’ve had to guess that the former £7 price will increase to £7:35 on the day. And, no, I don’t want to buy it today because I’m not sure I’ll want to travel next Thursday.
You could buy your ticket from a retailer that doesn't charge admin fees for refunds of walk-up tickets.
You'd think this would be a solved problem now this has happened for a few years! That said, TVMs seem unreliable at selling the correct fares at the best of times, found some selling fares nearly a week out of date before, perhaps they're now overcompensating the other way
In the case of the issue affecting Chiltern, LNER and Northern's TVMs it's not directly the TVM supplier's fault, but an issue with one of their suppliers. Hence why it didn't occur in 2021, 2022 or 2023.
Interesting. Unless their supplier is new to the industry you'd still expect this wasn't their first time dealing with this.
I wonder if Avanti's booking office TIS ever got fixed, I did try to point out it was selling the fares early to Avanti a couple of years back, but customer services weren't very helpful (and I couldn't be bothered finding a better contact).
Wallsendmag
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You may think that I couldn’t possibly comment
Haywain
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One might like to think that would be the case.
trainJam
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As of right this moment, most online retailers have switched to the new fares - except trainsplit and similar (including the forum's site).
MrJeeves
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Looks like we're switched over now.
ServerHoster
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It looks like Avanti standard premium upgrade prices have gone up.
For example, Crewe to Euston is now £30. Previously £25
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For example, Crewe to Euston is now £30. Previously £25
Look up fares for any train journey in Britain
Full details of all British rail Single, Return & Season tickets and Travelcards. Built-in Season Ticket Calculator.
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Haywain
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Isn't that a reduction?
Bletchleyite
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A typo. It was £25.
Wallsendmag
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That’s nothing to do with Fares changes that’s just Revenue Management
Billy Hicks
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Is Hatton to Lapworth still the cheapest gold card season ticket? Looks like it’s now £204 which beats the few other Ryde & Lichfield possibilities of past years.