The Planner
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I suspect the only way it will happen is if TPE decide to do the same as Avanti and fund the changes required.
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Grand Union's proposed Stirling – Euston service now authorised by ORR
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Snow1964
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Actually you will find there are some other classes where current leases expire before mid 2026 and currently is no public record of being extended by current user
In theory if they went to a LeaseCo and outbid an existing user of an IET or similar, who hasn't yet renewed, could they grab few of those.
Presumably any operator who hasn't committed to leasing their fleet through to 2030 could find someone else has leased it from end of current lease, unless they have guaranteed renewal rights (which I don't think exist anymore unlike the early leased stock).
When we had the speculative thread about stock still around in 2044 few weeks back I predicted that many of the pendolinos would be snapped up by open access operators when HS2 stock arrives, I might have just had right idea, but wrong details. Unless they have been extended all the class 390 leases expire March 2026.
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Just a pity that the South Lanarkshire area has been overlooked. A stop at Carstairs would have been an attractive option.
Or even Carluke
Disappointing for those requiring onward connection on the North Clyde line though. I regularly commute north/south and this proposed new service is useless to me.
Elecman
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Preston area really needs the new Grid Supply Point Feeder from the Penwortham 400kV NGET substation. The existing 132kV feeders at Catterall and Parkside are being stretched to the limit
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My guess woulld be five and half hours, which is roughly what it is now with a change in either Glasgow or Edinburgh.
Your basis for your claims about Gareth Dennis' dishonesty is?
87015
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He’s a Tory political broadcast
Not necessarily. The value of the paths on the ECML themsleves is quite significant, because of the potential revenue that could be realised from them if they went somewhere more lucrative. Therefore it could be worth operating at a loss in the hope that at some point, someone will cave in and buy them out to use the paths more productively.
It also is a nod to the otentisl rebuildingof Crewe - no point offering firm rights to a new entrant if they won’t be able to stop there for substantial amounts of time due to engineering works.
The Planner
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Crewe is dead, in every sense of the word. Won't be a problem now.
If the original plan was electric then clearly Stirling is the realistic limit, given the limited facility for reversal at Dunblane or Alloa.
However, the loading factors north of Stirling also have to be considered. Does a unit earn more money going back to London from Stirling or running further north.
stevieinselby
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He's about as anti-Tory as you can get.
danbarjon
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Do Grand Union even have a rolling stock ready for their London to Carmarthen service supposed to start either end of this year or mid next year?
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I've never seen any of the Open Access operators on the ECML running an empty train and I'm a regular user of all three of them.
I doubt any of them are in financial trouble.
I’m not saying any of them are in financial troible, just that they dont need to be making profits to stay in business.
1) Full trains does not equal ‘profit’ - see Transpennine and CrossCountry.
2) running at a loss does not equal ‘financial trouble’
dk1
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What do you mean by dead please?
tiptoptaff
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He's not.
He also bleets a lot of incorrect crap about things he doesn't know much about. Should have stuck to telling us all about how much ballast you need for a 125mph line, as that's where his expertise lies. Not in telling Drivers how we should do our jobs
sprinterguy
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Everything I've read, outside of Grand Union's website, suggests that service isn't due to commence until 2027 now, to accommodate the delivery of new bi-mode stock.
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YorkRailFan
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Yes their trains are full, but GC's reliability is abysmal. With all the compensation they have to pay to their passengers, their profit must be tiny or non-existent.
The Planner
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Apart from Basford Hall resignalling, all the other renewal/remodelling has been cancelled.
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Said purely in jest
dk1
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Ah fair enough. I thought you meant passenger numbers. Thanks.
BlueLeanie
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I think it's great that an Open Access operator is prepared to (partially) reintroduce a service that was much loved by rail users. Will one of the services be called "The Clansman"?
I haven't seen the planned timetable, but I can imagine that if the GUT services depart Stirling during civilised hours they may have higher loadings than the LNER 05:xx service to London.
If Perth was already electrified then I suspect the original application may have included it. Easier to apply for what is deliverable now then make an application to enhance services later.
I was wondering if it these services could provide a quicker journey to Aberdeen and the northeast via a change at Stirling. From what I can tell it looks like it wouldn't be any faster than a direct LNER or changing at Edinburgh.
It would however provide that break of journey at Stirling, a much nicer station to get around than Edinburgh Waverley.
Stations up to Inverness would probably benefit from the Stirling service, atleast more than the northeast of Scotland as Inverness trains from Edinburgh go via Stirling anyway, so you might aswell change there if travelling from the WCML side, rather than zig-zaging along the Carstairs curve into Edinburgh to head back west.
This would obviously depend on the WCML station you use as the Stirling service won't call at Lancaster/Wigan/Warrington etc. And the connections at Stirling would need to be decent.
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james60059
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Anyone want to take bets on who the first travel vlogger will be to sample the new services once they're up and running?. 
My guess is Scott from Trains, Planes, Everything
My guess is Scott from Trains, Planes, Everything
I would propose at the present time taking bets on which year they might start their service in would be more productive at the moment!Anyone want to take bets on who the first travel vlogger will be to sample the new services once they're up and running?.
My guess is Scott from Trains, Planes, Everything
I’m guessing Preston. Crewe isn’t a guaranteed stop due to the multitude of Avanti services to London and the hourly London northwestern service
james60059
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Haha good point actually
. Of course, I wish GU the best of luck in this new venture too