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Landslip at Wellington (Shropshire), Birmingham - Shrewsbury services suspended

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Well done to West Midlands Trains/Network Rail for eventually sorting out a rail service from Telford C to Wolverhampton in very difficult circumstances - shows what can be done if the will is there! Pity that Transport for Wales can't be bothered to do the same from Wellington to Shrewsbury!
How many times does it have to be said, there might be a way, and even a will, but that doesn’t make it the correct decision. Bussing people from Wellington would be a nightmare compared to Shrewsbury. So would the only point be take passengers to Wellington ?

Getting the service as far as Telford makes a lot more sense as it’s for onwards travel with journeys down into Birmingham. Getting people by bus to Telford then train onwards will be much quicker than a bus all the way to Wolverhampton then changing there.
 
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Getting people by bus to Telford then train onwards will be much quicker than a bus all the way to Wolverhampton then changing there.
Although it's only once every two hours so sometimes the bus will be quicker still.
 

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I actually took the bus from Telford. Had l stayed on it l would have arrived at Wolverhampton about the same time (within 5 minutes) that l actually arrived at Birmingham New Street on the train.
If traveling from Telford to Birmingham, why would you get on the slow bus to Shifnal, and then get on the all stops train to Birmingham? I could well believe that changing onto the train at Shifnal would get you to Birmingham faster than staying on the all stops bus to Wolverhampton, but why not get the fast bus from Telford to Wolverhampton, and change there for a fast train to Birmingham?

Travelling from Wolverhampton to Shrewsbury yesterday, the bus managed to shave over half an hour off its booked arrival time.
 

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If traveling from Telford to Birmingham, why would you get on the slow bus to Shifnal, and then get on the all stops train to Birmingham? I could well believe that changing onto the train at Shifnal would get you to Birmingham faster than staying on the all stops bus to Wolverhampton, but why not get the fast bus from Telford to Wolverhampton, and change there for a fast train to Birmingham?

Travelling from Wolverhampton to Shrewsbury yesterday, the bus managed to shave over half an hour off its booked arrival time.
Because the fast bus didn't appear!
 

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I went for the 1301 Cross Country service from New Street to Stafford yesterday. To say it was wedged was an understatement. Of course at Wolverhampton half of the passengers got off.
 

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I went for the 1301 Cross Country service from New Street to Stafford yesterday. To say it was wedged was an understatement. Of course at Wolverhampton half of the passengers got off.
I think this is going a bit of topic but XC are well known for having serious issue with overcrowding.
 

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London - Shrewsbury tickets are no longer the default, and cheaper, 'via Birmingham' routing on the network rail site. You have to specifically ask to go via Birmingham. The default is now the 'any permitted' £94.50 return.
But presumably on trains to Crewe the cheaper 'via birmingham' tickets will be accepted, as it it an obvious alternative route?
Otherwise the passenger is faced with a lengthy bustitution, or having to pay a premium of £20+ on saver return tickets, which doesn't seem fair at all as this landslip isn't their fault
 

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London - Shrewsbury tickets are no longer the default, and cheaper, 'via Birmingham' routing on the network rail site. You have to specifically ask to go via Birmingham. The default is now the 'any permitted' £94.50 return.
But presumably on trains to Crewe the cheaper 'via birmingham' tickets will be accepted, as it it an obvious alternative route?
Otherwise the passenger is faced with a lengthy bustitution, or having to pay a premium of £20+ on saver return tickets, which doesn't seem fair at all as this landslip isn't their fault

They did the same thing with ticketing between Oxford and Reading during the Nuneham viaduct closure a couple of years ago.
 

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I'm travelling between Northampton and the Heart of Wales line on the 28th March. Sods law, I purchased tickets two days ago with a split at Birmingham. I really want to avoid the rail replacement coach as I'll have my five year old with me and last time we caught a coach, he projectile vomited everywhere!

Am I right in thinking that, despite ticket acceptance via any reasonable route, the split tickets still won't be valid via Crewe as we'll be going nowhere near Birmingham?

My other concern is that the Manchester - South Wales trains sometimes have as few as 2 coaches. Are TFW likely to use their spare units (assuming they're not running a Shrewsbury -Wellington shuttle) to strengthen the Crewe - Shrewsbury services, either by increasing train length or additional services?
Yesterday the Crewe to Shrewsbury shuttle was 153333.
 

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London - Shrewsbury tickets are no longer the default, and cheaper, 'via Birmingham' routing on the network rail site. You have to specifically ask to go via Birmingham. The default is now the 'any permitted' £94.50 return.
But presumably on trains to Crewe the cheaper 'via birmingham' tickets will be accepted, as it it an obvious alternative route?
Otherwise the passenger is faced with a lengthy bustitution, or having to pay a premium of £20+ on saver return tickets, which doesn't seem fair at all as this landslip isn't their fault
There are signs up at Shrewsbury that TfW and Avanti are allowing passengers to/from the North to travel via Crewe. So presumably not for those coming to/from Euston.

On my recent trip, I told the booking clerk that I wanted to travel via Crewe to avoid the bus. We got to Crewe slightly early, and I was able to catch an earlier train to Euston. However, when I looked my ticket, it stated only valid via Birmingham, and the itinerary was for an Avanti Crewe to Euston via Birmingham service, taking nearly 3 hours! Fortunately nobody checked the ticket on board.

I think that fixing that slip by the 28th will be something of a miracle. At one point he says it’s still moving.
The end date does seem a bit variable. At one point it was the 25th, but I note that it has now moved back to the 30th.

I had presumed that they were aiming to fix it before Easter to avoid resource clashes with other works going on over Easter. If not completed by then, I have a feeling it could slip to well after Easter.
 
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In the end I did the London- Shrewsbury return on a via Birmingham’ ticket (I bought it from the machine at Euston and certainly had to force it to jump through some hoops to permit me to buy the via brum ticket).
I took a Liverpool train at Euston - first stop Crewe - and was fully prepared to have a quite robust conversation with a conductor to argue my case, but of course none came through the train.
 

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National Rail says Shrewsbury-Birmingham tickets will be accepted via Crewe during the blockade, but there's no mention of London options.
There's this in the TfW section, but it's not clear what area is covered:

Until the end of the day on Friday 29 March, you may use your ticket on the following services via any reasonable route at no extra cost:

  • Avanti West Coast
  • CrossCountry
  • West Midlands Railway
 

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They can say what they like on the websites about ticket acceptance but the fact that the default ticket option for SHR-EUS is now 'any permitted' (with the associated price hike) means that passengers who aren't in the know are being fleeced for a problem that isn't their's. At Euston I really had to force the machine to sell me a via birmingham ticket (despite having no intention of getting on a birmingham train, as I planned to use 'any reasonable route' to avoid the landslip).
 
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They can say what they like on the websites about ticket acceptance but the fact that the default ticket option for SHR-EUS is now 'any permitted' (with the associated price hike) means that passengers who aren't in the know are being fleeced for a problem that isn't their's. At Euston I really had to force the machine to sell me a via birmingham ticket (despite having no intention of getting on a birmingham train, as I planned to use 'any reasonable route' to avoid the landslip).
I guess this is where the 'dumb' style of TVMs used by London Northwestern have the advantage over the journey planner type TVMs used by Avanti.

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Anyhow is there any updates if the line will reopen by the end of the week, or has it slipped again?
 

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The good news is that Network Rail are saying that they've almost completed the repair work and that the line should reopen first thing Friday morning.
 

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National Rail says Shrewsbury-Birmingham tickets will be accepted via Crewe during the blockade, but there's no mention of London options.
There's this in the TfW section, but it's not clear what area is covered:

TfW says the following:
Ticket acceptance has been agreed with West Midlands, Avanti and CrossCountry until Friday 29th March.

Passengers traveling from the North can connect with Avanti and West Midlands services between Crewe and Birmingham.
Passengers using the rail replacement bus service from Shrewsbury can connect with Avanti, CrossCountry and West Midland services at Wolverhampton and on to Birmingham.

Nothing about passengers from the South.

How is a route that doesn't go via Birmingham a 'reasonable route' if you hold a ticket that specifically says it is only valid via Birmingham?
 

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Because prior to the blockage a journey SHR-EUS via Birmingham was approx 3hrs end to end.
During blockage the only way to achieve this end to end journey time is via Trent Valley and Crewe.

Therefore I’d call that a reasonable alternative route.
 

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Because prior to the blockage a journey SHR-EUS via Birmingham was approx 3hrs end to end.
During blockage the only way to achieve this end to end journey time is via Trent Valley and Crewe.

Therefore I’d call that a reasonable alternative route.

But does it officially count as a reasonable route?
 

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The good news is that Network Rail are saying that they've almost completed the repair work and that the line should reopen first thing Friday morning.
Line now open - first train through:




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Press release with 2-minute video.


The railway between Wolverhampton and Shrewsbury has fully reopened to passenger trains after engineers complete emergency repairs to a failed railway embankment.

Network Rail is thanking passengers for their patience this morning (Friday 29 March) after three weeks of disruption following a landslip between Oakengates and Wellington stations.

New time-lapse video footage has been released showing the scale of work by Network Rail and its contractor Murphy to rebuild the embankment so that trains can safely resume.

On Friday 8 March Network Rail closed the line near Oakengates station in both directions for safety reasons following a landslip on a steep railway embankment.

More than 5,000 tonnes of material slipped beneath a 50-metre section of the railway after persistent heavy rainfall over the winter months had weakened the earthwork beneath it.

Engineers have been working around the clock to shore up the landslip. Work to restabilise the railway embankment - which is approximately 15 metres in height - involved digging out material that’s slipped to create a new profile for the slope. Large ‘steps’ were cut into the slope before engineers backfilled it with over 16,000 tonnes of locally sourced stone, helping to reduce the gradient and strengthen the embankment.

Network Rail has worked closely with its train operator partners to keep passengers moving during the closure with an amended timetable and bus replacement services. A full timetable has resumed on the route this morning in time for people to travel over the Easter bank holiday weekend.
 

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