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GWR 16X hitting tree near Dorking (02/04)

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There are a few threads here about landslides but I don't know if this is one of them or something different.
Seems we have a problem with trees and the railway.

Watch a train as it hits a tree. Why does this happen?
#Lineside #Foliage - this time it's a @GWRHelp #Turbo and fortunately the [small] tree disintegrated... this simply CANNOT keep going on...

Video shows a GWR turbo unit hitting a fallen tree branches and coming to a stop.
 
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Think I would have stood further away, and probably not on the bridge!
 

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There are a few threads here about landslides but I don't know if this is one of them or something different.
Seems we have a problem with trees and the railway.



Video shows a GWR turbo unit hitting a fallen tree branches and coming to a stop.
Agreed. Although Paul Clifton may be a reporter, should there have been a way for the driver to be informed, for the train to be stopped. No good calling 'Ghostbusters', so who? It could have been a lot worse.
 

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Agreed. Although Paul Clifton may be a reporter, should there have been a way for the driver to be informed, for the train to be stopped. No good calling 'Ghostbusters', so who? It could have been a lot worse.
All bridges should have a sign on with a contact to call the Network Rail control room, who can then contact signaller and ultimately the driver.
However as we all discovered when the HST recently hit the tree in Scotland a few weeks ago, that all takes time.
 

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The signal spacing on the North Downs Line is very long though.

I guess that there could be a number to send photographic evidence to but even that could be used maliciously. A driver heading the other way could make a report, so how long had the tree actually been down?

Short of having CCTV all along the line, it is unfortunate that this sort of thing is difficult to catch.
 

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If there's a tree down on an active railway that clearly constitutes an emergency so I'd be ringing 999 if there were no other options.
 

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If there's a tree down on an active railway that clearly constitutes an emergency so I'd be ringing 999 if there were no other options.
If you’re actually on or at a road/rail bridge ringing the NR number on the bridge information plate will almost certainly be quicker.
 

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The signal spacing on the North Downs Line is very long though.
You use GSMR to contact drivers these days and the signaller have an All Stop Emergency message available as well
I guess that there could be a number to send photographic evidence to but even that could be used maliciously. A driver heading the other way could make a report, so how long had the tree actually been down?

Short of having CCTV all along the line, it is unfortunate that this sort of thing is difficult to catch.
Bottom line is this is another example of tree that shouldn't be there especially as it looks like its inside the boundary
 

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Bottom line is this is another example of tree that shouldn't be there especially as it looks like its inside the boundary

Until we get rid of the ridiculous attitude in this country that trees are somehow "special", then this problem is never going to go away.

Round here, my local council served notices that two trees were to be cut down due to them being diseased to the point of dangerous, there were still significant numbers of objections. Meanwhile, I know someone who got a job as a tree officer in the highways department of the county council specifically to try and be obstructive to trees being removed or even pruned, as he "loves trees very much and can't bear to see them interfered with".

It's not like this country is short of trees, I've never understood why this generates so much fuss.
 

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Agreed. Although Paul Clifton may be a reporter, should there have been a way for the driver to be informed, for the train to be stopped. No good calling 'Ghostbusters', so who? It could have been a lot worse.
It sounds like someone in the clip was on the phone reporting it at the time.
 

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Agreed. Although Paul Clifton may be a reporter, should there have been a way for the driver to be informed, for the train to be stopped. No good calling 'Ghostbusters', so who? It could have been a lot worse.
Paul Clifton has re-tweeted it? He’s received it from the person at the scene, who it now seems was phoning it in at the time.
 

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Why is the driver not slowing down, or does breaking on a Turbo take that long? He would have saved GWR (more like the DfT) a few cents if he breaked earlier.
 

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Why is the driver not slowing down, or does breaking on a Turbo take that long? He would have saved GWR (more like the DfT) a few cents if he breaked earlier.

Looks like he’s slowing down to me. If the train had been doing a line speed of something like 70 mph then it’s going to take a very good few hundred metres to stop.
 

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Why is the driver not slowing down, or does breaking on a Turbo take that long? He would have saved GWR (more like the DfT) a few cents if he breaked earlier.
Must be watching a different video, as it certainly looks like the train is slowing down.
 

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Why is the driver not slowing down, or does breaking on a Turbo take that long? He would have saved GWR (more like the DfT) a few cents if he breaked earlier.
Are you watching the video backwards or something? It is slowing down, and the video also shows the train stopping
 

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Why is the driver not slowing down, or does breaking on a Turbo take that long? He would have saved GWR (more like the DfT) a few cents if he breaked earlier.
100% its slowing, else it would have stopped half a mile along (or off...) the line! Trains don't stop on a sixpence

Braking earlier is all well and good, if you know there is a reason to brake. It may not have been clear to the driver that there was a tree on the line until it was too late to completely avoid it

Looks like he’s slowing down to me. If the train had been doing a line speed of something like 70 mph then it’s going to take a very good few hundred metres to stop.
I wondered, too, whether the people recording/reporting it were also waving their arms to "signal" to the driver that there was an issue
 
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Where's Jenny Agutter when you need her?

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[image of classic 1970 film The Railway Children, featuring a famous scene of kids waving to warn a train of a hazard, albeit from within the four-foot, thereby causing a hazard themselves]
 

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Until we get rid of the ridiculous attitude in this country that trees are somehow "special", then this problem is never going to go away.

Round here, my local council served notices that two trees were to be cut down due to them being diseased to the point of dangerous, there were still significant numbers of objections. Meanwhile, I know someone who got a job as a tree officer in the highways department of the county council specifically to try and be obstructive to trees being removed or even pruned, as he "loves trees very much and can't bear to see them interfered with".

It's not like this country is short of trees, I've never understood why this generates so much fuss.
Trees are important, but there are places where they shouldn't be.
 

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I wondered, too, whether the people recording/reporting it were also waving their arms to "signal" to the driver that there was an issue

More likely just standing there filming, hoping for some decent social media material.
 

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Where's Jenny Agutter when you need her?

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[image of classic 1970 film The Railway Children, featuring a famous scene of kids waving to warn a train of a hazard, albeit from within the four-foot, thereby causing a hazard themselves]
Are those special covers to hide the fact that the sleepers are historically incorrect concrete? Just asking for a friend.
 
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Are those special covers to hide the fact that the sleepers are historically incorrect concrete? Just asking for a friend.
I suspect that if they were aiming for historical accuracy, that GWR pannier tank wouldn't have been painted in that peculiar livery, or will someone correct me that they did carry this in service at some point?
 

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I suspect that if they were aiming for historical accuracy, that GWR pannier tank wouldn't have been painted in that peculiar livery, or will someone correct me that they did carry this in service at some point?
It was representing a fictional "Great Northern and Southern Railway"... but I think we're getting a bit off the topic now?
 

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