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BillStampy
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The vast majority are built, some aren't still, almost all 3 cars without Standard Plus are in service, minus 102 which is still waiting for entry despite being on test recently for millage accumulation. Supposedly 102 and 113 would be next if I were to guess, just me though
102 got to the front of the queue months ago. Many of them have had numerous faults identified on testing/acceptance which is why they suddenly dissappear so its very difficult to know which is which. Some sail through and others take months on end to get to pass their mileage accumulation and accepted.
BillStampy
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I see, certainly a problem when you want a 197 to enter service as soon as possible, just to be delayed endlessly without any way of knowing when it will join the fleet. Unfortunately the truth
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Who pays the costs of staffing the testing and mileage accumulation? Is it tfw staff reimbursed by CAF? I assume CAF pay for rectification of all found faults etc? Cheers
Until they're accepted they're not crewed or operated by tfw at all as they aren't part of the fleet.
I believe they use Rail operations group drivers for the mileage accumulation plus CAF technicians.
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Ultimately the costs will all be paid by TfW via the leasing charges.
If it's not accepted by TFW then surely it's still CAFs responsibility?
I wouldn't pay for a new car that was in a condition to drive.
Also hearing from some train crews that several 197s are having engine issues. 3 cars with only 2 engines running and 2 cars having to be run attached with other 2 cars because of having an engine out.
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I wonder if there's a penalty payable by CAF in those circumstances?
BillStampy
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Realtime Trains | 1W60 1101 Milford Haven to Manchester Piccadilly | 13/04/2024
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It's showing internally as being paired with 153913 for the entire journey, unsure which one is right!1W60 today is a single car 153 through to Manchester, very annoyingly so with 2 197/1s on Maestegs and more, plenty to be swapped off at the cost of a bit of lateness.Realtime Trains | 1W60 1101 Milford Haven to Manchester Piccadilly | 13/04/2024
Real-time train running information for 1W60 1101 departure from Milford Haven to Manchester Piccadilly on 13/04/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
Western 52
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The 1730 return from Manchester is also on RTT as a single car. That will be cosy!
I'd imagine it's an error and it's paired with another 153? Bad enough these are still used on the Manchester route when we were told ages ago they wouldn't be used for much longer ! But a single car 153 all that way would be awful!
The 197s on Maesteg is annoying when Sprinters are still.used on more long distance routes but it may not be that straight forward to swap them
The 197s on Maesteg is annoying when Sprinters are still.used on more long distance routes but it may not be that straight forward to swap them
Topological
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No doubt TfW has some genius excuse like the diagram software cant cope with the fact that a 153 does not have 5 carriages. Similar bull we got about how it was not possible to write an IF statement into the code to prevent Northern 150s being allocated to a Manchester.
We have to assume that this is a RTT error and that there is actually another unit on it. I note that where it shows 2 car between Carmarthen and Swansea on the way to Manchester both 153s carry the same number.
We have to assume that this is a RTT error and that there is actually another unit on it. I note that where it shows 2 car between Carmarthen and Swansea on the way to Manchester both 153s carry the same number.
childwallblues
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153913 is paired with 153325.
I noticed that too. At first I thought it was odd they added an extra carriage at Carmarthen only to remove it at Swansea. Then realised it was the same 153 down twice.
I really think its bad that 153s and 150s are still turning up on 197 diagrams to Manchester and Holyhead I realise they will probably come up with excuses such as its that or a cancelled train but it really isnt good enough in my opinion. 12 months on from when we were told Sprinters would be gone from the Manchesters before Dec 2023.
Topological
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Thank you.
It does make me wonder how serious is the 197 introduction problem?
We were told about extra services and 5 cars coming in December 2024, but there is still not enough to run even a 100% 197 service single unit on the existing 197 routes.
I am doing more driving instead now.
Maybe there will be a force to say go back to the TfW service one day, but thus far the uncertainty of not knowing whether it will be possible to get across Cardiff within an hour just weighs so heavily against the train without the added bonus of the unit lottery and the potential that whatever does come won't have a working toilet for 4 hours +. (So far I have not been on a train with the toilet unusable, but there are enough (more than one) reports of it happening and I can see how it could happen)
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Anonymous10
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Certainly paired with another unit as saw it whilst walking the dog this morning.
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Weird thing for a train to do
Anonymous10
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Oops I think my cider had gotten to me before I had even drank it... it didn't half scare her when she was in the field and it went past sounding the horn.Weird thing for a train to do
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I was on the Northbound service. That is incorrect, it was in fact 153321 paired with 153325 on that working. The PIS at Cardiff also showed 1 coach.
As for "a single 153 would never reach Manchester"...
Bear with me on that!
Won't let me upload the video, but I can confirm the 21:30 MAN-SHR on 31/05/23 was a single 153.
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it does happen very occasionally and I believe the 2155 Cardiff-Crewe and a similar journey from Shrewsbury to Cardiff is booked for a single 153 which is sufficient capacity at that time of day.
Phil from Mon
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Three car 197 on Friday Holyhead to Llanelli (1109 out of Bangor) lost 36 minutes at Chester, up to 55 by Cardiff and seemingly cancelled beyond Swansea. Seems there was an engine fault - is this a common problem? There didn’t seem to be any trouble until the reversal at Chester.
Certainly needed the 3 cars along the coast, and down to Shrewsbury but 2 perfectly adequate down the Marches, probably as by then we were following a Manchester.
And to make it worse my train back this morning is 3 x 153s for a journey of around 3 hours. When are TFW going to get these new trains in service and working properly?
Certainly needed the 3 cars along the coast, and down to Shrewsbury but 2 perfectly adequate down the Marches, probably as by then we were following a Manchester.
And to make it worse my train back this morning is 3 x 153s for a journey of around 3 hours. When are TFW going to get these new trains in service and working properly?
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185143
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3 car 197 with Standard Plus on the Fishguard boat train.
When was the first 197 to Fishguard?
When was the first 197 to Fishguard?
Manchester Shrewsbury at 2130 on a Wednesday night is not Cardiff Manchester though which is what I said.
The 2155 Cardiff Crewe is booked a 153 because it can cope with the capacity required at that time of day.
I believe it was December the first 197s ran to Fishguard in passenger service the same day as to Milford Haven.
Topological
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Does the 2130 form from a previous arrival splitting? I think it might? RTT shows 2 x 2 car 197s on the 21:15 arrival on Wednesday (for example): https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:P64627/2024-04-10/detailed#allox_id=3
Obviously the implication otherwise is that the same single 153 worked the inward journey to Manchester