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Early colour photos of Mk2 carriages in maroon livery
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Sun Chariot
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Yes, the original Mk2 of 1963 (I think it's often referred to as a Mk2z) Corridor Firsts, were the only diagram outshopped in (LMR) maroon and (SR) green.
The prototype FK 13252, had slightly narrower (Mk1 profile) bodyside windows; and is now preserved by and located at the Mid-Norfolk Railway.
The definitive reference, in my view:
Another book (I've not read this one):
British Railways Mark 1 and Mark 2 Coaching Stock
In 1951 the first of the British Railway’s Mark 1 coaches entered service. In their various forms, which included sleepers, buffet cars, horse boxes and suburban non-corridor stock, they were built until 1963 and formed the mainstay of the passenger railway through the 1960s and 1970s. Although...
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norbitonflyer
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Unfortunately, Googling "Mark 2 maroon" only produces lots of pictures of Inspector Morse's Jaguar. Roughly the right era though (registered in 1960)
sprinterguy
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Yeah, it's a pity that one is now rarer than hen's teeth in the second hand market, demanding sky high prices when it does turn up. I missed out on picking up a copy before it went out of print some years ago - well overdue a reprint.
Sun Chariot
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Agree. I couldn't believe those prices today, when I looked. I, too, hope for its reprint.
Michael Harris's books on LNER coaches used to fetch silly prices, until a 2011 reprint made material affordable again.
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Coold be worse: a search for a pair of 40s - some images are definitely not English Electric related... 
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eastwestdivide
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Found this via a flickr search for mark 2 coach maroon and then using the filters for taken before 1980:
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Western at Plymouth with a rake including a maroon mk2 as well as a Hawksworth GW coach
D1000 'Western Enterprise' arrives at Plymouth North Road on 1A62
The maroon livery applied instead of the original Desert Sand colours 2 years earlier (October 1964) has already been heavily scoured by the Laira washer and it will be another year before it gets another repaint - this time into BR blue with a full yellow end (June 1967). The doyen of the fleet...
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Sun Chariot
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Great find!Found this via a flickr search for mark 2 coach maroon and then using the filters for taken before 1980:
Western at Plymouth with a rake including a maroon mk2 as well as a Hawksworth GW coachD1000 'Western Enterprise' arrives at Plymouth North Road on 1A62
The maroon livery applied instead of the original Desert Sand colours 2 years earlier (October 1964) has already been heavily scoured by the Laira washer and it will be another year before it gets another repaint - this time into BR blue with a full yellow end (June 1967). The doyen of the fleet...
Found this via a flickr search for mark 2 coach maroon and then using the filters for taken before 1980:
Western at Plymouth with a rake including a maroon mk2 as well as a Hawksworth GW coachD1000 'Western Enterprise' arrives at Plymouth North Road on 1A62
The maroon livery applied instead of the original Desert Sand colours 2 years earlier (October 1964) has already been heavily scoured by the Laira washer and it will be another year before it gets another repaint - this time into BR blue with a full yellow end (June 1967). The doyen of the fleet...
Quite the image. Never imagined those 2 carriages would have co-existed on the same train.
Sun Chariot
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One of my Waverley Route books - since given away - had a couple of photos of a V2 hauled farewell tour; the front two coaches were mk2z SK in blue-grey. It looked incongruous!
eastwestdivide
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You might also try variations of mk2, mark2, mkii, mark ii with the words coach, train etc, and date taken earlier than 1980
That's a great photo!Found this via a flickr search for mark 2 coach maroon and then using the filters for taken before 1980:
Western at Plymouth with a rake including a maroon mk2 as well as a Hawksworth GW coachD1000 'Western Enterprise' arrives at Plymouth North Road on 1A62
The maroon livery applied instead of the original Desert Sand colours 2 years earlier (October 1964) has already been heavily scoured by the Laira washer and it will be another year before it gets another repaint - this time into BR blue with a full yellow end (June 1967). The doyen of the fleet...
Thanks!Yes, the original Mk2 of 1963 (I think it's often referred to as a Mk2z) Corridor Firsts, were the only diagram outshopped in (LMR) maroon and (SR) green.
The prototype FK 13252, had slightly narrower (Mk1 profile) bodyside windows; and is now preserved by and located at the Mid-Norfolk Railway.
The definitive reference, in my view:
Another book (I've not read this one):
British Railways Mark 1 and Mark 2 Coaching Stock
In 1951 the first of the British Railway’s Mark 1 coaches entered service. In their various forms, which included sleepers, buffet cars, horse boxes and suburban non-corridor stock, they were built until 1963 and formed the mainstay of the passenger railway through the 1960s and 1970s. Although...
Were the 20 Mk 2 (original, vacuum brake) FKs for the Southampton boat trains not delivered in green ?
I seem to recall also an early colour photo of an inter-regional train from Southampton/Bournemouth to the north having a 4-way colour mix of maroon, green, grey/blue, and plain blue (a van).
I seem to recall also an early colour photo of an inter-regional train from Southampton/Bournemouth to the north having a 4-way colour mix of maroon, green, grey/blue, and plain blue (a van).
Bevan Price
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All I get is a load about mathematical factors of the number 40. (Search using Duck Duck Go, or Google)Agree. I couldn't believe those prices today, when I looked. I, too, hope for its reprint.
Michael Harris's books on LNER coaches used to fetch silly prices, until a 2011 reprint made material affordable again.
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Searching for maroon Mark 2 coaches gave lots of photos of preserved or model coaches.
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Sun Chariot
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I must have a more seedy Internet browser.
Big Jumby 74
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Yes they were, as Sun Chariot has alluded to, although (surprisingly), given this was the last couple of years of Southern steam, there seem to be few colour pictures of them, although that said, my collection of 'steam in colour' type books is limited. I have found two such images, one each in different editions of 'Scenes from the Fifties and Sixties', 'Hampshire Steam' and 'Surrey Steam' by M.Welch. In the former on page 9, a Standard 4, 2-6-4T is shown passing Millbrook on a five coach working, with a green Mk2 FK behind the loco, and in the latter book, page 32, a diverted Down Southampton Docks train is seen passing Haslemere with the second, third (and possibly the fifth?) coaches behind the loco being green Mk2 FK's. Probably a full Mk2 set I would guess (apart from the Mk1 BCK behind the loco), but the the image is such that such detail further down the train can't be confirmed.