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Beeching Cuts and the Big Four

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Dorking and Dorchester's stations are on separate lines with no obvious way to connect them (even in the 50's/60s) so closing one or the other of them would have restricted traffic. Given both town's primary station would be on the busier line towards London, closing the station on the quieter line may well have been seen as more trouble than it was worth.
Regarding Dorchester, which had the two goods facilities on opposite sides of Weymouth Avenue, not quite facing one another, it was dependent on where it originated. Bear in mind that until 1960 there were London passenger trains from both, as the WR Weymouth boat trains started from Paddington and stopped there. The principal freight was incoming coal of course, followed by other manufactures from further north. If they originated anywhere on the (ex) LNER, they came via Banbury, Swindon and Westbury to the WR West station, keeping it off the LMR. If originated on the LMR then via Bath, the S&D to Templecombe, Salisbury and Poole, to the Southern, likewise ensuring no revenue to the WR.
 
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Regarding Dorchester, which had the two goods facilities on opposite sides of Weymouth Avenue, not quite facing one another, it was dependent on where it originated. Bear in mind that until 1960 there were London passenger trains from both, as the WR Weymouth boat trains started from Paddington and stopped there. The principal freight was incoming coal of course, followed by other manufactures from further north. If they originated anywhere on the (ex) LNER, they came via Banbury, Swindon and Westbury to the WR West station, keeping it off the LMR. If originated on the LMR then via Bath, the S&D to Templecombe, Salisbury and Poole, to the Southern, likewise ensuring no revenue to the WR.
Ah, yes. Inter-regional gamesmanship for revenue manipulation.

Now, what was that in the Transport Act 1947 about the duty to provide an "efficient, adequate, economical and properly integrated system of public inland transport"? Never mind.
 

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Surely not? Did the GWR, LMS and so on really enter into impregnable 'evergreen' contracts with 'one bloke and a horse & cart' coal merchants to provide a service at a particular location for as long as they wanted it? Presumably these hypothetical contracts had been somehow novated to bind the BTC in such a way that they were even proof against an explicit statutory power to cease providing such a service. Wow!

It was just a suggestion! Impregnable evergreen contracts? Probably not, but what then is the explanation for the fact that BR wasted little time closing Rewley Road to passenger traffic but, despite all the hassle of the swingbridge, continued serving the yard for freight for decades afterwards?
 
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When the Big Four were nationalised in the 1940s there were many duplicated routes that came under BR ownership. When the Beeching cuts came around, many routes were pruned. In my neck of the woods it seems that the former LMS (ex-Midland) lines were favoured over the LNER (ex-GCR) ones.

Which led me to wonder, out of the Big Four, which of those former companies lost the greatest route mileage (or amount of routes) under the Beeching and subsequent cuts?
Anyone able to hazard an educated guess at to how many track miles (apportioned between the one time 'Big Four') there still were in 1963, and how many miles were subsequently lost, when the Beeching and subsequent other cuts started being implemented?
 

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Anyone able to hazard an educated guess at to how many track miles (apportioned between the one time 'Big Four') there still were in 1963, and how many miles were subsequently lost, when the Beeching and subsequent other cuts started being implemented?

Gives various figures for route mileage, track mileage might be a bit more difficult to establish figures for.
 

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Anyone able to hazard an educated guess at to how many track miles (apportioned between the one time 'Big Four') there still were in 1963, and how many miles were subsequently lost, when the Beeching and subsequent other cuts started being implemented?

Gives various figures for route mileage, track mileage might be a bit more difficult to establish figures for.
I would expect the proportion of track miles to drop much less sharply than route miles.
 

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It was just a suggestion! Impregnable evergreen contracts? Probably not, but what then is the explanation for the fact that BR wasted little time closing Rewley Road to passenger traffic but, despite all the hassle of the swingbridge, continued serving the yard for freight for decades afterwards?
Stabbing in the dark a bit here but one might assume that 'convenience to passengers' would have encouraged the concentration of passenger activities at the former GWR station whereas the default for any freight customer was usually going too be 'leave me alone'. There was no concept of a 'profit centre' or 'cost centre' back in the day.

As the years passed some locations saw investment in coal concentration depots; West Drayton, Aylesbury, Exmouth Junction, Droitwich Spa, Shrewsbury and Gobowen for example, whereas I don't think that Oxford ever had one. Traditional coal traffic in flat-bottomed mineral wagons was just left to wither away gradually with no obvious strategy to achieve economy until it was too late to save anything.
 

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Michael Bonavia (who filled many a role in the 'new' British railway(re) organisations following Nationalisation) wrote about many 'personalities' and issues related to the making and changing of decisions. It reads much as a book written today, 75 years on! Industrial relations and lack of investment are much the same too. The 'Beeching report' was only 15years after Nationalisation and we have lurched on more than 60 years since then
What, if anything, do we learn? :rolleyes:
It's part of the life cycle of large mature industries, really, not least because the performance of the economy (of the country) also tends to be cyclical. When the economy does badly railway customers spend less if they can, so budgets for new rolling stock, maintenance and investment get reduced to match that (and the opposite when the economy is doing well). No one should be surprised at what's happening now to railway finances and investment - the railways have been through it several times before for similar economic reasons.
In addition to Michael Bonavia's work ( British Rail: The First 25 Years), I have recently re-read Gerrard Fiennes' account ( I Tried to Run a Railway) and find a lot of commonality beyond the personal inferences of 'not my fault'. Both Bonavia and Fiennes found themselves in a variety of roles over time as a result of yet another reorganisation. Fiennes particularly makes the observation that reorganisation saps energy and takes focus away from the day-to-day 'getting things done'. I dare say it was no-one's job to consider, let alone 'save', wagonload 'business'. Marshalling yards were 'the answer'- rather like deckchairs on the Titanic while the band played on. I think it's more about top people 'playing trains' and thereby showing they are 'in charge', e.g New Rail Alphabet, Great British Railways, strikes and resisting them, cutting Hs2, 'reversing Beeching', egos rather than 'economic reasons'.
 

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I would expect the proportion of track miles to drop much less sharply than route miles.
I would have thought the opposite - singling former double-track routes like Salisbury - Exeter and Oxford - Worcester - Hereford, and reducing some quadruple to triple/double track would reduce track mileage without reducing route mileage.
 

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I would have thought the opposite - singling former double-track routes like Salisbury - Exeter and Oxford - Worcester - Hereford, and reducing some quadruple to triple/double track would reduce track mileage without reducing route mileage.
Probably depends on how many of the closed routes were substantially single track. Guessing fewer than we might now suppose. Certainly losses such as the GC and Waverley routes would have helped boost the “track miles” - double track (at least) throughout
 

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Stabbing in the dark a bit here but one might assume that 'convenience to passengers' would have encouraged the concentration of passenger activities at the former GWR station

Good point. I am sure I have read somewhere (although cannot find it now of course) that in the 1930s the GWR Oxford Stationmaster also became responsible for Rewley Road, an early example of sensible rationalisation! The two stations being adjacent presumably helped.
 

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I would have thought the opposite - singling former double-track routes like Salisbury - Exeter and Oxford - Worcester - Hereford, and reducing some quadruple to triple/double track would reduce track mileage without reducing route mileage.
I wouldn't have thought the track miles lost to singled but retained routes would offset the balance of things like the multi-track inner city approaches being retained while large swathes of single track were abandoned completely. Would be an interesting project though if somebody can find reliable sources!
 

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I wouldn't have thought the track miles lost to singled but retained routes would offset the balance of things like the multi-track inner city approaches being retained while large swathes of single track were abandoned completely. Would be an interesting project though if somebody can find reliable sources!
I've been knocking together some statistics from BR Annual Reports and Transport Statistics UK for selected years from the end of 1947 through to 1994/5. Although a lot of route closed over that time the 'average number of running line km/route km' seems to have remained remarkable constant at 1.9-2.0. Still got some more checking to do.

(None of this is broken down into Big Four or Region, unfortunately.)
 

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